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  1. 1. What do you bid ?

    • Pass
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    • Double
    • 5 diamond
    • 5 Heart
      0
    • 5spade
      0
    • 5 NT
    • 6 Clubs
    • 6 Diamonds
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Team match, 1 is standart and can be 3 cards. (unfortunately we dont know the style of preempter, first time opponent)

 

EDIT: IT is ok to answer it according to your regular pdship agreement, explenation will be appreciated. :)

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I'm probably a 5N bidder. I don't know what is right, but I think slam will have play opposite the right strain. I think 6 is also possible for some, but for me that would indicate a diamond fit.
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Yes, partner will double most of the time if we're making anything. Not sure what I do if he does X however.

 

Why do I want to force to slam with 5N first time opposite what could be a 4432 12 count.

How about if we are collecting 500?

 

Obv my 5N gives up on this too, but passing a hand like Csaba's seems absurd. How is partner supposed to judge whether you have a 0 count or a balanced 13?

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Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands. This is an auction where RHO is often void in a suit, or the first two tricks can go ace and a ruff. It's not that surprising in this situation to go down at the 6 level due to bad breaks. We could also just not have enough firepower to make anything at the 6 level, we do have a 12 count after all.

 

5N can work, I don't think it's terrible, in fact it's probably good opposite diamond 1 suiters and hands with 4M+5, but I am just not that optimistic.

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Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands...

I agree we are very thin for 5NT, but doubling and likely defending with a void is also precarious -- not so much that 5 is likely to make, but in that it invites a very random outcome. 5NT at least approximates our actual hand and so gives the chance for a very good result if partner has good offense.
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Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands. This is an auction where RHO is often void in a suit, or the first two tricks can go ace and a ruff. It's not that surprising in this situation to go down at the 6 level due to bad breaks. We could also just not have enough firepower to make anything at the 6 level, we do have a 12 count after all.

 

5N can work, I don't think it's terrible, in fact it's probably good opposite diamond 1 suiters and hands with 4M+5, but I am just not that optimistic.

That's all true, but I still think it depends on RHO. 1-4 is a great preempt, so there is little reason to stretch to bid 5. If RHO has a 9-card suit with no trump loser, we are getting only 300 (or +100 if we do lack an outside ace). If RHO is 8410 we are probably also getting +300 only.

So it might be the percentage play to bid to a 30% small slam, and it probably is percentage to bid a 40% small slam. If RHO would bid 5 with 8320 or 8311 hands, then we should probably double.

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I think the general style of preempter is very important here. I am used to play vs extremely agressive and unpredictable preempters, and if thats the case i think DBL stands in high priority for me. However this preempt was made by an North American player, way too predictable (eventhough that was the first time we played against him) compared to someone from europe...But all of this is just my personal opinion.

 

I was the one who opened 1 and my pd, bid 6 !!!

 

And i held (spots can be wrong, but they are irrelevant)

 

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Lead was K and 4-2, 4-0 (o with preempt hand) and i had an easy run for 12 tricks. Interesting enough, 6 was not makeable( not even with 2-2 ). And in other room, responder bid 6 and my hand bid 6 for a push :)

 

Double would collect +300 not as fancy as +920 but definetely better than -100 if u chose the wrong slam, as some of u mentioned in your replies.

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Sorry I wasn't perhaps clear: I asked about responder's double, not opener.

 

If your partner opens 1 and RHO bids 5 and you hold

 

ATxx

KQxx

KTx

xx

 

do you pass?

And I replied to this, yes, this is not a good hand. Give partner KQJx, AJ10x, Jxx, Jx and we're making nothing and we haven't beaten 5 yet (give RHO x,x,xx,AKQ10xxxxx). If we're making a slam, partner will do something. If we're making 5M he may do something, we might miss 300 as I suspect we do here.

 

On the actual hand we'd play 5 or 5X, I suspect 6 is not very good if one opponent is known to hold 8 or more clubs, as are really quite likely to be 5-1.

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Right, I misread your post. Thanks, I was just wondering. I personally couldn't stand passing with that hand, but that's only me. I think it's a little pessimistic to give partner the exact same distribution as us.
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ATxx

KQxx

KTx

xx

 

If my pd passes over 5 with this, after i open 1...or after i open anything at 1 level...he better be running good or ugly things will happen. :P Even when they are making doubled with 2 overtricks.

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