MrAce Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sat642hkq642dkt3c&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d5c]133|200[/hv] Team match, 1♦ is standart and can be 3 cards. (unfortunately we dont know the style of preempter, first time opponent) EDIT: IT is ok to answer it according to your regular pdship agreement, explenation will be appreciated. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm probably a 5N bidder. I don't know what is right, but I think slam will have play opposite the right strain. I think 6♣ is also possible for some, but for me that would indicate a diamond fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 We play takeout doubles all the way up, and to make one at this level must require something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 5NT, pick up a slam. I'm not sure 6♣ is ♦ support, but partner might think so, 5NT to make sure the Majors are in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double and raise partner's bid its fine for me, sadly he will pass with balanced 4432 but I don't wanna play slam opposite 3244 either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double and raise partner's bid its fine for me, sadly he will pass with balanced 4432 but I don't wanna play slam opposite 3244 either :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 We play takeout doubles all the way up, and to make one at this level must require something like this. And do you pass in peace with ATxxKQxxKTxxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 What do you mean you don't play negative doubles through 6♦?? :) You really can't stand the pressure of a 6♣ call since it could so easily be wrong so I will take the only other realistic option which is X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double (takeout). Obviously I expect it to get passed, but I'm not so confident of making a slam on this hand, or getting to the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'd bid 5N, but I'm hyper aggressive in these auctions usually, and often when I shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I think 5NT is the clear winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 5N. Double is too subtle for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 And do you pass in peace with ATxxKQxxKTxxx ?Yes, partner will double most of the time if we're making anything. Not sure what I do if he does X however. Why do I want to force to slam with 5N first time opposite what could be a 4432 12 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Sorry I wasn't perhaps clear: I asked about responder's double, not opener. If your partner opens 1♦ and RHO bids 5♣ and you hold ATxxKQxxKTxxx do you pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Dbl if RHO is nuts, 5NT otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes, partner will double most of the time if we're making anything. Not sure what I do if he does X however. Why do I want to force to slam with 5N first time opposite what could be a 4432 12 count.How about if we are collecting 500? Obv my 5N gives up on this too, but passing a hand like Csaba's seems absurd. How is partner supposed to judge whether you have a 0 count or a balanced 13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands. This is an auction where RHO is often void in a suit, or the first two tricks can go ace and a ruff. It's not that surprising in this situation to go down at the 6 level due to bad breaks. We could also just not have enough firepower to make anything at the 6 level, we do have a 12 count after all. 5N can work, I don't think it's terrible, in fact it's probably good opposite diamond 1 suiters and hands with 4M+5♦, but I am just not that optimistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceeb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands...I agree we are very thin for 5NT, but doubling and likely defending with a void is also precarious -- not so much that 5♣ is likely to make, but in that it invites a very random outcome. 5NT at least approximates our actual hand and so gives the chance for a very good result if partner has good offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Though decision? Well, news flash: preempts work ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Double, I think people are over-estimating how good slam will be opposite random 12-14 balanced hands. This is an auction where RHO is often void in a suit, or the first two tricks can go ace and a ruff. It's not that surprising in this situation to go down at the 6 level due to bad breaks. We could also just not have enough firepower to make anything at the 6 level, we do have a 12 count after all. 5N can work, I don't think it's terrible, in fact it's probably good opposite diamond 1 suiters and hands with 4M+5♦, but I am just not that optimistic.That's all true, but I still think it depends on RHO. 1♦-4♣ is a great preempt, so there is little reason to stretch to bid 5♣. If RHO has a 9-card suit with no trump loser, we are getting only 300 (or +100 if we do lack an outside ace). If RHO is 8410 we are probably also getting +300 only.So it might be the percentage play to bid to a 30% small slam, and it probably is percentage to bid a 40% small slam. If RHO would bid 5♦ with 8320 or 8311 hands, then we should probably double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I think the general style of preempter is very important here. I am used to play vs extremely agressive and unpredictable preempters, and if thats the case i think DBL stands in high priority for me. However this preempt was made by an North American player, way too predictable (eventhough that was the first time we played against him) compared to someone from europe...But all of this is just my personal opinion. I was the one who opened 1♦ and my pd, bid 6♦ !!! And i held (spots can be wrong, but they are irrelevant) [hv=pc=n&n=sk73hat83dqj42ca2]133|100[/hv] Lead was ♣ K and ♦ 4-2, ♥ 4-0 (o with preempt hand) and i had an easy run for 12 tricks. Interesting enough, 6♥ was not makeable( not even with 2-2 ♥). And in other room, responder bid 6♣ and my hand bid 6♦ for a push :) Double would collect +300 not as fancy as +920 but definetely better than -100 if u chose the wrong slam, as some of u mentioned in your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Sorry I wasn't perhaps clear: I asked about responder's double, not opener. If your partner opens 1♦ and RHO bids 5♣ and you hold ATxxKQxxKTxxx do you pass?And I replied to this, yes, this is not a good hand. Give partner KQJx, AJ10x, Jxx, Jx and we're making nothing and we haven't beaten 5♣ yet (give RHO x,x,xx,AKQ10xxxxx). If we're making a slam, partner will do something. If we're making 5M he may do something, we might miss 300 as I suspect we do here. On the actual hand we'd play 5♥ or 5♣X, I suspect 6♦ is not very good if one opponent is known to hold 8 or more clubs, as ♦ are really quite likely to be 5-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Right, I misread your post. Thanks, I was just wondering. I personally couldn't stand passing with that hand, but that's only me. I think it's a little pessimistic to give partner the exact same distribution as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 ATxxKQxxKTxxx If my pd passes over 5♣ with this, after i open 1♦...or after i open anything at 1 level...he better be running good or ugly things will happen. :P Even when they are making doubled with 2 overtricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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