1H-1S-2NT

[mgoetze]

For some reason I always thought 1♥-1♠-2NT shows 18-19 balanced (playing 15-17 1NT). I'm now told by one of my partners that it shows 15-17 in his system. Is this a. normal; b. odd, but playable; c. behind the times or d. ridiculous?

[mtvesuvius]

Dee dee dee...

[HeartA]

b & d

[mgoetze]

I meant "playable" and "ridiculous" to be mutually exclusive.

[jillybean]

DD

[mikestar13]

DDD

[MrAce]

What they said :)

[cherdano]

e. Common in Germany?

[mgoetze]

e. Common in Germany?

 

Yes, part of German standard (Forum D) in fact. Does that make it any better, though?

[pooltuna]

depends on whether or not 1NT opener is allowed to hold a 5 card M. If not then it is pretty much foisted on the bidding system as 15-17 and the 1M opening 3NT rebid is 18-19 balanced. This of course could create a memory load when the auction goes 1m 2NT or 1m 3NT.

[mgoetze]

depends on whether or not 1NT opener is allowed to hold a 5 card M. If not then it is pretty much foisted on the bidding system as 15-17 and the 1M opening 3NT rebid is 18-19 balanced.

 

No, it's not. You could just rebid 2♥. Or, better yet, allow opener to rebid a 3-card minor.

 

Of course, allowing 5 hearts in 1NT is also a very good idea...

[gwnn]

it will drop an imp here or there, but I don't think it's ridiculous. If you don't like opening 1N with 5 hearts and special treatments, you "have to" play 2N as 16-19, with some 19's sneaking in 2N. So 15-17 can't be all that bad. I wouldn't play it though.

[cherdano]

Yes, part of German standard (Forum D) in fact. Does that make it any better, though?

Yes, there is always a lot of advantages in playing treatments that are standard where you play bridge.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

an the german standard system is heavily influenced by the

french standard system.

 

Playing the jump rebid as 15-17, is as good as any solution

to the problem, what opener has to bid on his 2nd turn, when

he happens to have a bal. hand with a 5 card major and the

strength to open 1NT.

 

If you bid this way, you wont miss a 5-3 major suit fit, and

you dont have to overload your NT response strucure to find out,

that the NT opener has a 5 card major.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Siegmund]

Odd but playable, if the rest of your system accommodates it, seems like a good answer.

 

If you try it with a random North American partner, you're more likely to get told "ridiculous."

[Free]

double D

[marcD]

Clearly D. the french system has many flaws but not this one : 2NT definitely shows 18-19 (for most players 3NT actually shows 4 card spade support unable to splinter); with (15)16-17 you are supposed to rebid 2m (3 cards ) and over the likely 2♥ preference rebid 2NT. Opening 1NT is another common approach but far from mainstream (one style with significant following is to open 1NT with a 5 card major only when you have 3 cards in the other major)

 

Hi,

 

an the german standard system is heavily influenced by the

french standard system.

 

Playing the jump rebid as 15-17, is as good as any solution

to the problem, what opener has to bid on his 2nd turn, when

he happens to have a bal. hand with a 5 card major and the

strength to open 1NT.

 

If you bid this way, you wont miss a 5-3 major suit fit, and

you dont have to overload your NT response strucure to find out,

that the NT opener has a 5 card major.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[xxhong]

It is playable, but you may go down in a lot of 2NTs. Also, you have to overbid 3NT with 18 HCP.

IMO, a better solution would be to rebid 2NT to show good 16 to 18 and open 1NT with 15 to normal 16. Opening 1NT with 5 M and 17 can often be rather bad when partner holds some shapely (or even balanced) 7-8 HCP with 4 cards support.

For some reason I always thought 1♥-1♠-2NT shows 18-19 balanced (playing 15-17 1NT). I'm now told by one of my partners that it shows 15-17 in his system. Is this a. normal; b. odd, but playable; c. behind the times or d. ridiculous?

[Fluffy]

C & D here. But who cares about a north african country anyway.