mtvesuvius Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 W/W at IMPs:[hv=pc=n&s=sakt54hat72da2cq2&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2hpp]133|200|What do you balance with and what is your plan?[/hv]You play Lebensohl here, and partner is a junior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Choices available are 2♠ or DBL or 2NT 2♠: would be an easy call if not in balancing seat, i still wanna bid it badly. DBL : Definetely not my taste, will i bid 3♠ over pd's lebensol 2 NT ? No. So what will i do over 2 NT if i start DBL ? Probably bid 3♣ and hope for best, or bid 3 NT and hope again. 2 NT : Correct range ( a little too good but still) and correct shape imo, may miss 5-3 ♠ fit but this bid cooperates with partner the most among others imo. That one is my choice :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 2NT. The real problem is whether to show 5♠ when partner checks for it, but I guess I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I would only bid 2NT if our methods including being able to show a five card spade suit later. Otherwise 2♠ looks normal to me. I don't shade my values much at all when balancing over a preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I choose 2N, 2S is not going to be so wonderful opposite 2 pups when I need to ruff H, and my rho is waiting to over ruff. Double is beyond my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschafer Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Would never bid 2♠ with this hand in balancing seat, it could be way weaker too. 2NT for me, I'm really liking ♥AT7x for NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 there is a lot of potential in spades, I'd try 2♠, partner will stretch to raise with fit and heart shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I hate 2N. You miss all your light games with a spade fit, go down in 2N when partner is weak when 2S would probably have been easier, get to the wrong game a lot, etc. 2N gains when partner has 8-9 and no spade fit, but then we might not make 3N anyway due to the poor fit, and when we are NV I don't think it's that bad to just stop in 2S opposite this kind of hand. At the same time when partner has 3-4 spades and/or a stiff heart, it is probably critical for us to play in spades, whether he is weak or strong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 2S. But I have methods to catch-up my strength when/if I get to rebid...I guess if I thought I couldn't get cooperation on my max-hcp 5xS suit, I'D try 2NT: on 18 with Qx questionable working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 2N. A 5-3 spade fit will play awkwardly unless partner's spades are strong enough to avoid overruff(s) in hearts. Spades might be better if partner has a surprise source of tricks in a minor, and we are open in the other minor. I do play puppet stayman here, so I'm not sure what I'm giving up with 2N. Great problem for the A/E Adam - WD. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 If partner will always raise 2♠ with what would normally be a constructive raise in an uncontested auction then I will try 2♠ otherwise I will call 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I guess I'm going to be the only one who chooses double then 3♠. I agree with Roger's criticisms of 2NT, plus it is almost as much an underbid as 2♠. It will be hard to reach 3NT, but not much harder than if I start with 2♠. This is a hand that I would like to play in spades if possible, with other strains playable if partner actively prefers them. That's what double and 3♠ means to me. Kaplan/Rubens rates this a 19.3 not counting the ♥10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 I guess I'm going to be the only one who chooses double then 3♠. I agree with Roger's criticisms of 2NT, plus it is almost as much an underbid as 2♠. It will be hard to reach 3NT, but not much harder than if I start with 2♠. This is a hand that I would like to play in spades if possible, with other strains playable if partner actively prefers them. That's what double and 3♠ means to me. Kaplan/Rubens rates this a 19.3 not counting the ♥10. Kaplan/Rubens will be overrating the ♥A as well. It may also be overrating the ♦A as we now know it is sitting over a weak hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 2♠ for me. I don't like 2NT, overweight, offshape, 5 card spades. Double then spades will get us to some games missed by 2♠, but it will get us too high when partner is around 6/7 with no spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Put me down for X-then-spades. I would bid 2S on a a bunch of hands a LOT weaker than this, some of them 2 full tricks weaker than this. 2NT is a fair second choice but loses the spade suit. I am a little surprised to be in such a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Put me down for X-then-spades. I would bid 2S on a a bunch of hands a LOT weaker than this, some of them 2 full tricks weaker than this. 2NT is a fair second choice but loses the spade suit. I am a little surprised to be in such a minority. Length in RHO's suit is a good thing as opposed to common belief (except xxx )However length in LHO suit is usually a very bad sign for suit contracts, especially a 5-3 ♠ fit in this example. When you double and bid 3♠, you almost completely take out the 3 NT possibility, and u dont have the trick strength to offer 3♠ or 4♠ vs a lot of hands that pd will either pass or raise to 4. Also i believe , when off shape for double and lack of a decent suit to introduce after double, there is almost never a hand which is too good to overcall. So i think if you are too much into finding your ♠ fit, 2♠ is way much better than starting with DBL. But i prefer 2 NT, which shows a strong NT hand and thats what i have. Everyone would open this 1NT if we didnt have 4 cards ♥, now that we know ♥ suit belongs to LHO, i don't have to worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Everyone would open this 1NT if we didnt have 4 cards ♥, now that we know ♥ suit belongs to LHO, i don't have to worry about it. I wouldn't open this 1N (w/o 4♥) because its too good. But I would have no qualms overcalling in NT, which allows a marginally better hand than a 1N opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 W/W at IMPs: What do you balance with and what is your plan? AKTxxATxxAxQx You play Lebensohl here, and partner is a junior. imo this hand is too good for a mere 2n I am happy trying 3n if p has as little as say Qx xxx xxxx KJxx and they wont raise 2n to 3n. This hand is too strong for a mere 2s and 2s also misses the point since we really should not be happy in a 53 spade fit where our possible heart ruffs are in easy overruff position. X gets us the best of all worlds. spades when we have at least a 9 card fit and nt when we dont. There is little difference btn ending up in 2n vs 3n when both go down but a huge difference when 3n makes (there is some ouch factor when it makes precisely 2). My plan is to x then if p bids 2s raise to 3s2n raise to 3n3c/d bid 3n3h bid 3s (I play this as stayman w/o a heart stopper and game forcing but not everyone does)3s bid 4h3n pass4c/d raise to 54h bid 6s4s biggest headache i would trot out 4n bidding 6s if p shows 1 and being happy in 5 if p shows none5c/5d raise to 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 At the table I chose to double, a call that I am not particularly proud of. Partner held:[hv=pc=n&n=sq9862h4dkqj95c86]133|100[/hv]She bid 3♠ over the double, and we finished in 5♠ making 5 (don't ask lol). I think 2N is probably the call I'd make with this hand if it came up again, but it's realllly close. Given partner's actual hand, not much will matter, although if you bid 2♠, she'll probably try 4♥... Would you move over that? Anyway, it has been a while since I've come across a hand that falls through the cracks and is really in-between any reasonable call. Fortunately all is well that ends well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I really dislike 2NT for the reasons Roger gave and would just overcall 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 At the table I chose to double, a call that I am not particularly proud of. Partner held:[hv=pc=n&n=sq9862h4dkqj95c86]133|100[/hv]although if you bid 2♠, she'll probably try 4♥... I think 4H is an overbid, it's 1 under game and you have no keycards. Not really surprising you will get too high too often opposite a hand that couldn't do more than bid 2S. That said you are limited in the sense that you have a stiff heart but passed over 2H, so partner expects you to have about 10-11 at most, but even then we just don't have enough to make a slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pard is likely to be short in hearts and didn't dbl nor bid a minor. He's either broke or has a minor 2-suiter in the 5-5 region (or both). This makes game rather unlikely, so I would say a slightly mastermindish underbid of 2♠ is likely to work out best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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