Forcing or NF?

[awm]

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?

[gordontd]

Your options above are not mutually exclusive.

[mtvesuvius]

I think I'm in a minority, but I play all of these as forcing.

[JLOGIC]

Not to me.

[Siegmund]

Your options above are not mutually exclusive.

 

Right.

 

I want to check #2 and #3.

Absent an agreement otherwise, I'd assume it's the same as if responder passed; and absent an agreement about that, new suit by advancer NF.

[wank]

i play it as NF when responder passes.

 

given responder's bid there's even more reason to play it as NF - you can now double as well with a strong hand

[Cascade]

So many playing negative free bids :)

 

The have a fit, it is a competitive auction, we need to be able to compete for the partscore on as many hands as possible.

 

Non forcing makes much more sense than forcing.

 

I happen to play

 

(1m) 1♠ (Pass) 2♥ as forcing

 

but even these auctions i think there is a good case for non-forcing although there are some issues with what to do with forcing hands.

[karlson]

I think it's pretty clear that the third option is supposed to be "forcing if and only if you play the other sequence as forcing".

 

Anyway, I would say NF even though I think the other sequence is forcing.

[rduran1216]

Seems like its gonna come up most often when competing for a partscore and trying to find the best spot, so non forcing, but constructive, the 2D bid is relevant, because I can force by making a responsive double and bidding again to show good stuff I think.

[Finch]

Although I play 2H as forcing after 3rd hand passes, our general rule is that these bids are non-forcing when everyone is bidding. If you have a good hand you double first. If you have a serious single-suiter with hearts you are slightly stuffed because we play 2H as non-forcing and 3H as fit, so you have to just bid 4H (hardly a disaster) or double then bid hearts.

[Lurpoa]

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?

 

 

Playing BWS2001 defaults:

no, non-forcing, but I think it should show a good 5card. The forcing bid is Double= for T/O or showing general values, depending on the level.

I am not sure what a cue-bid 3♦ would mean. Is it simply a good raise to 3♠ ? or a Western style cue-bid. I do not find a clue to this in the BWSdocument.

[P_Marlowe]

I would 2H treat the same way, as I would treat it without the raise.

 

Since 2H over 1S would be NF, ..., that may not come as a surprise.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[CSGibson]

I play this as non-forcing.

[Phil]

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?

 

and no one passing in-between? :P

 

NF even if there is no 2♦ call on my right. I've changed this in the last year.

[Gerben42]

I play that when three players bid, a new suit by the 4th is not forcing. Also 2-over-1 would be NF, 2-over-2 I play forcing as a 2-level overcall.

[straube]

Move my vote to nf. I misread the problem.

[whereagles]

All four hands bidding, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥. Is the 2♥ bid forcing?

 

That depends on agreements. Mine is it's not forcing, but it would be if LHO hadn't bid.

[awm]

I was recently asked about this at a local club game. My response was that "standard" would be 2♥ not forcing here. I was then asked what to do with a forcing hand, and said that you are somewhat fixed. :)

 

Personally I like to play 2♥ as forcing in this sequence, but with a pickup expert partner I would certainly assume NF.

[kriegel]

As per Mike Lawrence's Overcalls, 2♥ is NF, 3♥ is natural, inv, and X followed by hearts would be GF.

 

3♥ as a fit-jump makes sense too.

[Lurpoa]

As per Mike Lawrence's Overcalls, 2♥ is NF, 3♥ is natural, inv, and X followed by hearts would be GF.

 

3♥ as a fit-jump makes sense too.

 

Indeed. Go back to the Masters.

Lots to learn !

 

Yes, what about 3♥.

In line with my other methods (BWS2001) this would be a one suited hand, NF, but inviting ....If partner is not absolutely minimum for his overcall, or has a good hand in ♥ he can bid game.

[mich-b]

NF.

In addition to the obvious advantages of 2♥ being NF , it also gives better definition for the overcallers rebid , if he does not choose to Pass. For example 2♠ from him is 100% 6 cards.