ajm218 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Playing 2/1 - weak only multi and constructive twos in a teams match scored by aggregate [hv=pc=n&s=sat96432hj862d6c9]133|100[/hv] 1st in favourable [hv=pc=n&s=skq97543h8d7643c8&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp]133|200[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=saqthaj952d8cq752&d=n&v=b&b=5&a=1c1d1h3dppdp3sp]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 3♠. Maybe 4 if I feel lucky. 2. 3♠. Maybe 2 if the board before went bad, ahah. 3. 4♣. I would prefer 4♥ if I was pretty sure pard would take it as 5 cards and club tolerance. Lacking such certainty, 4♣ it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 3♠, 3♠, 4♠ the 2 first ebcause I consider the 4 card suit as a good extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. Pass. Agreement with partner is not to pre-empt with an outside 4-card major, and I'll stick to that discipline. 2. 3♠. Vulnerability suggests caution, added distribution suggests some additional leeway, so they balance out to a normal 3-level pre-empt with this hand. 3. 4♠. We have a shot at a vul game, so must bid 4S or 5C. No science to it, but gut feel is that Moysian should play better to lose 3 than clubs will to lose 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I don't fancy the moysian on 3rd hand because I'd have to ruff with top honors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 4♠2. 3♠ - very close to four, but I'd prefer the ♠J for that.3. 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 4♠ - Favourable 7-4? Definitely 4...2. 3♠ - Not many other options for me at this Vul.3. 4♦ which I think should be a choice of games (between ♣, ♥, ♠) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1 and 2 - 4♠ and 3♠ look routine. 3 is tricky. If partner is 4135, then 6♣ is in the hunt opposite some good minimums - Kxxx x xxx AKJxx. If partner is 4234, then we have to tread carefully. 4♦, is a choice of games cue, and I'll hear about a doubleton heart I think. I'm interested on what others think partner's follow-up is with a hand like KJxx xx xxx AKJx. 4♣ is a strong 2nd choice, although I'm unsure if its forcing. Even if it were, I have a later problem of interpreting partner's subsequent 4♥ call. 4♦ seems like a good hedge unless our follow-ups are very well discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 3S, 3S, 5C. On the first our heart length reduces their chances of having game on and on the second we have a poor suit at unfavourable, it's closer to being a two-level opening than 4S IMO. As an aside, do you really still play bad multi/good weak twos in third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 On the third one, will partner always bid 3♥ rather than 3♠ with a 4=3=3=3 shape? It would be unfortunate to reach 5♣ opposite KJxx xxx Jxx AKx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 3♠, 3♠, 4♠ the 2 first ebcause I consider the 4 card suit as a good extra. Does that mean that with A109xxxx Jxx xx x you'd open something lower than 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 On the third one, will partner always bid 3♥ rather than 3♠ with a 4=3=3=3 shape? It would be unfortunate to reach 5♣ opposite KJxx xxx Jxx AKx.I think he should bid 3♥. We can't be 4=4 in the majors, and we can be 3=5 or 4=6 or 3=6 etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 4♠. There's quite a lot wrong with this but 3♠ is too little and I really don't want to pass. 2. 3♠. Not close. 3. 5♣. Agree that 4♦ would be choice of games but I don't really want to play a seven card major fit instead of an eight card club fit with this hand. Partner should not be 4333 as Cherdano explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Don't most people play 4♣ forcing on the last auction? Seems like we should do that, then if partner comes out with 4♦ choice of games we can offer 4♠? I would open 4 and 3 on the first two though I wouldn't call 4 on the first one routine, I think it's mildly pushy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Does that mean that with A109xxxx Jxx xx x you'd open something lower than 3♠?At least it would be very close to 2♠ for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 4S2. 3S3. 5C I've just been told "don't give him any advice on aggregate tactics"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. 3♠2. presummably I have to use 2♦? otherwise 2♠3. 4♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I strongly dislike 4S on the first hand. We have 4 hearts which makes them much less likely to make a game that we have to save over (they usually won't have a heart fit. Yeah they might make 3N but if we had AT9xxxx x x Jxxx it is much more likely they can make a game since 4H is also more in the picture). 3S will cause them problems pretty often if they have short hearts and can't make a takeout double also, and they might get to a 4-3 heart fit that plays well for them.. The other warning sign is our suit being ace empty. This gives us a lot less offense and a lot more defense than KQT9xxx for instance, not only do we have a trick on defense but if partner has a stiff (not so unlikely) it amounts to 2 tricks. All of this leads me to believe 4S will often be a phantom, and even though I'm a fan of opening most 7-4s with 4 w/r I think this one is just lazy. On hand 2 I would just open 2S, we are r/w, call me wimpy if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 [snip] On hand 2 I would just open 2S, we are r/w, call me wimpy if you want. Why are you going to pay me back next Tuesday for the hamburger I buy you today? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 On the first one I do agree with Justin's criticisms of 4♠. We could be down one when we would have bought it in 3♠ or concede 300/500 in 4♠ when they have no game. But I also think we will miss some games opening only 3♠ as partner won't expect this much offense (mine won't anyway). It comes down to which is the greater loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Our offense is really only good if partner has a fit. I think partner will often bid game with a 3 card fit as a 2 way shot. If partner has short spades our hand kind of goes to *****. I guess a lot will depend on his heart holding, KQxx of hearts is obv great and KQxx of a minor terrible. But I feel that 3S p p p will be a winner long term against 4S p p p even though there is a lot of randomness involved in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajm218 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 What happened on the hands? 4♠ had almost no play on the first hand as partner put down a 0166 hand with Q♥, AK♣ and A♦ - just wondered whether people might only open 3 with 4♥s or not (I certainly would open 4 if my side suit was a minor). The second hand was a terrible one at this form of scoring, I opened 3♠ and it went p p x and I went for 1100 against 460 when partner put down a 1516 hand with just the A♥ that stopped them being able to make a slam. Whilst we were waiting to score up, my WC rho who I know very well told me he thought 3♠ was madness. I should have also perhaps factored in that I knew he would reopen almost every time his hand could be stretched to a reopen (i.e. a lot more than a random opp)... The responses I've collected thus far seem very much in two camps 1) what else? (with shape compensating for lack of fillers) and 2) wild The final hand was quite an interesting one, one thing I didn't mention about the competition is that you have to play 1/3 of the match with each of your teammates which is both fun and tough if you get undiscussed bidding problems. I thought 4♦ should be COG but I had no idea if 4♣ is forcing here - what is standard? Anyway over "COG" it went X XX p, I now emerged with 5♣ and partner did extremely well to raise to 6 (perhaps he expected at least my hand)? He had KJxx x Axx KJTxx so that was a swing of 1470 when our opps went off in 3nt. Frances - I've just seen the semi-final draw :D Should be a good match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Hi, #1 Pass. #2 2S, ..., 3S is ok as well, being in 3rd seat Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 3♠, 3♠, 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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