Phil Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=shkt3daq82cakq652&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1cp1h3s]133|200[/hv] I'll post some follow-ups later. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike gill Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Good problem. I'll go with double. There's certainly a danger that partner will pass when he shouldn't but everything else I could bid seems to have bigger flaws. If he does pull I think I'm in reasonable shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Good problem. I'll go with double. There's certainly a danger that partner will pass when he shouldn't but everything else I could bid seems to have bigger flaws. If he does pull I think I'm in reasonable shape. I agree with this as I am not wild about 4♦, 4♥, or 4♣ calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I double, if the follow up is to pick a lead I will have to live with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I like 4♦ I want to play this, not defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 4♦ What I will not do is DOUBLE. I rather commit the hand to slam. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I'll try 4♥, which will hopefully have reasonable play, and will probably be the best option for getting us to a decent slam. I don't like double at all, although maybe after 4♠ from LHO it will leave us well placed for a 4N call... Nice problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 IMO, it's a toss up between 4♦ / 4♥. I slighly prefer the former call because it gets the ♣ length into the picture and pard may still bid 4♥ over it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I think that 4D is terrible and 4H is worse. 4H is a huge underbid and basically only keeps one suit in play. While diamonds is less likely to be our best fit, 4D does stress our good clubs and keeps every suit in play. It also isn't an underbid. The only alternative is double. I'll just have to figure out if double is better or worse than terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 The only alternative is double. I'll just have to figure out if double is better or worse than terrible.Once you've figured it out , I hope you will let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Dbl seems canonical. For all we know, pard can be 4432 and 6 hcp or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 If I make a really slow X, do you think partner will figure out I want him to pull? If I bid a suit it's 4♥, I would guess 4 of a minor will only get us to hearts when partner has 6, even though they'll frequently have 5. I don't want to defend, but X gives us the best chance of finding the best contract should partner pull, so I bid that. Lefty could be raising spades as well, so even if we X we might have a chance to bid 4NT after... X-4♠-P-P-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 If I make a really slow X, do you think partner will figure out I want him to pull? If I bid a suit it's 4♥, I would guess 4 of a minor will only get us to hearts when partner has 6, even though they'll frequently have 5. I don't want to defend, but X gives us the best chance of finding the best contract should partner pull, so I bid that. Lefty could be raising spades as well, so even if we X we might have a chance to bid 4NT after... X-4♠-P-P-? It's funny you mention Lefty. I have the hand record now, and I'm going to try to create likely actions by LHO: By the way, If you double (and you agree that it is 100% takeout): LHO will raise to 4♠ - pass - pass - ? As an aside, what would partner's double of 4♠ be? If you bid 4♦: LHO bids 4♠, partner bids 5♦, pass, ? If you bid 4♠ (what actually happened at the table :blink:) 5♠, pass..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 5NT. Yes I know how horrible a bid that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agree with double. Unlike some doubles I'm not that worried about partner passing this one. It's not like he'd just pass it with 3433 which he would in some other auctions. Yeah I guess some hands with 4 spades will pass rather than bid 3N, but if partner has a hand like that where is the guarantee that me bidding anything will work out? What am I even supposed to bid if I don't double, I don't even know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 That's interesting, why doesn't he pass with 3433 and a shaky/nonexistent stopper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 5NT. Yes I know how horrible a bid that is.Here is my horrible bid:Meckwell 4NT! = Voidwood-RKC for ♥, excluding the ♠A ( because 4S! would be ordinary RKC for ♥) That way if LHO raises to 5S, we have DOPI; or if he DBLs, we have ROPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm quite confident Meckwell wouldn't want their name on that bid if used for this hand. I still hate my 4♥ call, and am leaning towards X, seems to leave us better placed later, and LHO does rate to be raising quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 After my dbl and LHO's 4♠ pass pass, I'll try 4NT, which I'm pretty sure my pet pard will take as a 46 in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 That's interesting, why doesn't he pass with 3433 and a shaky/nonexistent stopper? Because he expects to be opposite a 1345 shape, and knows that most/all of his high cards are working in offence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'd double 3♠, and then double 4♠ to show my extra values. If partner had doubled 4♠, it would have said that he thought we might make something, but didn't want to comit to the five level. I would have bid 4NT opposite that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Not a fan of doubling 4S at all. We have much more offense and not as much defense as partner might expect (well, I should say our defense is dependent largely on his club length). It's not like we need much, Qxx QJxx Jxx Jxx is very possibly a double game swing. Even on non double game swings I expect partner to pass pretty often when we can make something, and they're down only 1 or 2. I'm not willing to thread the needle so much that we cannot make anything and they cannot make when partner is going to misjudge way too often over our 2nd double which is often something more like x Axx AKxx AQxxx or whatever. I think our big/medium loss scenarios will occur too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 FTR, partner held Qx QJxx Kxxx xxx. The person that held this hand (not me, nor my partner) basically jammed this into slam with 4♠ and then took the push to 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 By responder you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Not a fan of doubling 4S at all. We have much more offense and not as much defense as partner might expect (well, I should say our defense is dependent largely on his club length). It's not like we need much, Qxx QJxx Jxx Jxx is very possibly a double game swing. Even on non double game swings I expect partner to pass pretty often when we can make something, and they're down only 1 or 2. I'm not willing to thread the needle so much that we cannot make anything and they cannot make when partner is going to misjudge way too often over our 2nd double which is often something more like x Axx AKxx AQxxx or whatever. I think our big/medium loss scenarios will occur too often. Would your double of 4♠ be for penalties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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