Continuation after overcall

[han]

All vulnerable, 16-board team match, decent opponents.

 

KQxxx

Qxx

A

Q87x

 

(1C) - 1S - (p) - 2D

(p) - ??

 

2D is NF constructive.

 

I would think that the situation depends a bit on overcalling style. Our overcall style is on the aggressive side but not unusual. KQxxx Kxx x xxxx would be an automatic overcall and KJxxx Qxx x xxxx would be a clear pass. What would your call be in this context? Are there close alternatives?

[mfa1010]

2NT. I don't really see the alternative.

[paulg]

The opponent's silence suggests a misfit, but still looks right to bid my hand and 2NT seems obvious.

[whereagles]

2NT and hope pard doesn't get too happy about it.

[655321]

I would pass.

 

We know the hand is a misfit, not because of the opponent's silence but because we know that partner has fewer than 3 spades and fewer than 5 hearts.

 

2NT is certainly an alternative because it is kind of the value bid and we are vulnerable, but if partner's hand has no help in the major suits, even a hand like xx xxx KQJTxx Ax is going to need a lot of luck to make 3NT. With solid diamonds and more outside cards partner might have made a stronger bid than 2♦.

 

Perhaps 3NT from partner's side would be better, but a bid like 3♣ seems less descriptive and more likely to get us overboard than 2NT.

[rhm]

Since 2NT seems obvious to some I will pass.

After all 2♦ is not forcing. We do not have a fit, neither do I like my honor structure.

In notrump communication will likely be a problem.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Fluffy]

Playing my style I would bid 2NT, but on your definition of 2♦ I don't know, constructive but NF seems to fit into the definition of a 13 scattered count with 2 spades, wich means 2NT should be right with 5 HCP extra than minimum and stopper in their suit, but if KQJ9x and a king is also good enough for 2♦ then this is just a guessing game.

[whereagles]

I play new suit after overcall as forcing, except if RHO acted.

[pooltuna]

2NT. I don't really see the alternative.

the alternative whenever partner makes a NFB is pass (I don't care what he calls it if it is NF constructive it is still a NFB)

[gnasher]

I'd pass. We might make 3NT if partner has running diamonds and a couple of winners on the side. On the other hand, he'll raise to 3NT without as much as that. Furthermore, if he passes 2NT it will play like a dog.

 

A consequence of playing wide-range overcalls and wide-range new-suit responses is that you don't have much accuracy in the game zone on hands where you don't have a fit. If you try to reach all the 25-point games in this sort of sequence, you'll end up losing far to many partscore swings.

[mfa1010]

I don't see why we should go ahead and miss completely normal 3NTs with 26-28 hcps. 2♦ is not (or should not be, maybe it is there the problem lies) an effort to improve the partscore with just diamonds and nothing. Partner indicates a hope for game, and with this much stuff in comparison with what I might hold, I'm not close to considering pass.

3NT often makes outside the diamond suit, if he has values and a bad suit.

[nigel_k]

2NT.

 

It's not attractive but I just think passing is too much of a view, assuming NF constructive means the same for you as it does for me.

[tolvyrj]

NF constructive...hmm, i guess that if we play such a convention, my spade overcall could have been made with much less than i have now. So what is 2D, its non-forcing so i can pass with the garbage i usually have and that my prd DID NOT want to pass 1S overcall for some reason. What else prd can have, what is 3D? pre-empt? invitational?. Since im not sure, i use the headache convention aka. bid something "useful" and transfer the problem to prd. 2Nt, no extra spade length, no diamond support, no 4 card heart suit, some kind of club stopper and a couple of extra facecard than my minimum is. If we go overboard after that we will discuss about this convention again.

[awm]

2NT for me.

 

It depends of course on what you mean by "NF constructive" responses. For me this means overcaller is forced to bid if he has opening values, but can pass if he has less than an opener. Of course, some hands with extra shape or a good fit might bid even with less than opening values. Since this overcall has 13 hcp, I think 2♦ is forcing and 2NT is my most descriptive call. With a weaker hand and the same shape I'd pass.

[mtvesuvius]

2N, just a bit too much to pass, and I don't like playing NF constructive anyway, so I'll pretend I thought it was forcing if partner asks.

 

Another creative option is 2♥, which will always have an amusing ending if nothing else.

[JLOGIC]

I would pass, stiff ace is a big warning sign. Yes we might have 27 HCP but much more likely is that we have 22 HCP or whatever.

[rduran1216]

I play NF constructive with everyone, and the 2D bid is 9+ to 13 or so in range and in my partnerships implies spade tolerance. I expect a solid KQJxx of diamonds and a dblton spade for this bid with an outside card. So I bid 3C to find out if the outside card is in clubs. It isn't gonna be the end of the world if I play 3S with the A likely onside and partner now having a heart card instead of a club card to use for an entry.

 

I do not want to play NT from my side, so I'll take pass over 2NT.

[JLOGIC]

I play NF constructive with everyone, and the 2D bid is 9+ to 13 or so in range and in my partnerships implies spade tolerance. I expect a solid KQJxx of diamonds and a dblton spade for this bid with an outside card. So I bid 3C to find out if the outside card is in clubs. It isn't gonna be the end of the world if I play 3S with the A likely onside and partner now having a heart card instead of a club card to use for an entry.

 

I do not want to play NT from my side, so I'll take pass over 2NT.

 

This obv

[han]

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