Fluffy Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 ♠K10♥7♦Q643♣A98653 nobody vul east is dealer (pass)-pass-(pass)-1♦( 2 ♣ ) - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Pass.... intending to convert partner's reopening DBL ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Support, which is nearly always the correct answer to Fluffy's question. Pass deserves to get1♦ 2♣ pass 2♥pass 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Pass.... intending to convert partner's reopening DBL ...I have bad news for you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 3♣, and 655321 said it very well. Besides, it's always good to bid your longest suit first, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 3♣. Reason: it is very likely pard has a singleton club, thus he rates to be unbalanced with 5 diamonds. That makes our hand magical and we should convey that message right away. Unless RHO is joking, we probably have a slam here. In fact, if I could only make one bid here, it would be SIX DIAMONDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l milne Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 3♣, although I'm not that far from 3♥. Just seems a little too mental though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I think expecting game here is bonkers Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count? 3C might not be game forcing, but what will we do over 3D, which I assure you is what partner is bidding I can see trying to slow the opps down from getting to 4H if they belong there, but i can't imagine doing it expecting to head to game or...slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I think expecting game here is bonkers Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count? 3C might not be game forcing, but what will we do over 3D, which I assure you is what partner is bidding I can see trying to slow the opps down from getting to 4H if they belong there, but i can't imagine doing it expecting to head to game or...slam?How about passing 3D? I don't understand any of the apparently many points you are trying to make. What's wrong with playing 3♦ with an 8+card fit and two unbalanced hand? Why can you guarantee that partner is going to bid 3♦?(I would also suggest that we do expect partner not to have 4432 shape, given that LHO bid 2♣ and we have 6 clubs.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I made a instinctive quick pass when RHO bid 2♣, wich happens whenever RHO bids my suit. I regret it 4-5 seconds later but was too late. LHO bid 2♥ as expected, but it was passed to me back Stuck with no bid, I tried a stupid double to show my penalty double hand then wich got a lucky +300 instead of the deserved -570, partner having ♠Axxx ♥xxxx ♦AK10xx ♣- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Would love to defend 2♣ x'd. That isn't going to happen. We might as well raise diamonds now via 3♣. I don't know if LHO is going to bid hearts or make a responsive double, but we can worry about that later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 so 2H comes back to me and I dbl, expecting to beat it if partner has 4. If partner reopens im sitting, if he bids 2D or something ill raise to 3D. playing 3D is fine, but in the event we can play 2C x'd is more finer. haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Wow, doubling 2H is just awful. It doesn't just show a trap pass, it shows some defense against hearts. Doing it with a stiff is suicidal, and on top of that you have 4 card support for partner and an easy 3D bid which you expect to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Wow, doubling 2H is just awful. It doesn't just show a trap pass, it shows some defense against hearts. Doing it with a stiff is suicidal, and on top of that you have 4 card support for partner and an easy 3D bid which you expect to make. don't we have a spade trick, a club trick, and more than just the KJxxx we'd have sat with over a reopening dbl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I think expecting game here is bonkers. Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count? I was curious about your claim and ran a sim out on 1000 hands and got this: (0-1 scale, with 1 = 100%) 0.075 pard has 44320.134 pard has 4342 or 34420.194 pard has 3451 or 43510.244 pard has 44410.099 pard has 44500.147 pard has 6 diamonds13.159 pard average hcp Since the actual hand shows us 11 hcp and a 4450 are enough for 10 tricks on any lead and 11 without a trump lead, I would say you're being VERY pessimistic in claiming we don't have a game here. Sure, aroun 8% of the time pard will have the dreaded 4432 shape, but that's just about the only bad thing that can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 whereagles that seems unlikely, partner must have short clubs more often than that, how did you take into account RHO's interference? what hands can he overcall on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 8 %? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yeah I also thought 8% was too much, but that's what the simulation yield. Here's the code: produce 1000 dealer south predeal north SK2, H2, DQ432, CA98732 ab1d = hcp(south)>10 and hcp(south)<21 and spades(south)<5 and hearts(south)<5 and diamonds(south)>2 int = hcp(west)>6 and clubs(west)>4 and hcp(west, clubs)>4 and spades(west)<5 and hearts(west)<5 condition ab1d and int action average(shape(south, 4432)), average(shape(south, xx42)), average(shape(south, xx51)), average(shape(south, 4441)), average(shape(south, 4450)), average(shape(south, xx6x)), average(hcp(south)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Yeah I also thought 8% was too much, but that's what the simulation yield. Here's the code:produce 1000 dealer south predeal north SK2, H2, DQ432, CA98732 ab1d = hcp(south)>10 and hcp(south)<21 and spades(south)<5 and hearts(south)<5 and diamonds(south)>2 int = hcp(west)>6 and clubs(west)>4 and hcp(west, clubs)>4 and spades(west)<5 and hearts(west)<5 condition ab1d and int action average(shape(south, 4432)), average(shape(south, xx42)), average(shape(south, xx51)), average(shape(south, 4441)), average(shape(south, 4450)), average(shape(south, xx6x)), average(hcp(south)) Wow! what a clever program! Is it free ?Should you also specify: diamonds (south) >= clubs (south)and not (clubs(south) = 3 and (diamonds (south) = 3) or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Wow! what a clever program! Is it free ?Should you also specify: diamonds (south) >= clubs (south)and not (clubs(south) = 3 and (diamonds (south) = 3) or something like thatThat's redundant. Overcaller has 5+♣, partner already has 6♣, so we can only have 0-2♣. It's also specified that opener has 3+♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 That's redundant. Overcaller has 5+♣, partner already has 6♣, so we can only have 0-2♣. It's also specified that opener has 3+♦. Thank you, Free. Is there a free version of the dealer program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Wow! what a clever program! Is it free ? It's free, yes. You just write a script and plug it into this BBO page: http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/dealer/dealer.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 It's free, yes. You just write a script and plug it into this BBO page: http://www.bridgebas...aler/dealer.php Thank you, Whereagles. Fantastic and fun! I reran your script and got similar results for partner's hand....0.084 44320.131 4342 or 3442 0.208 3451 or 43510.257 44410.093 44500.148 xx6x13.148 av HCPGenerated 1074099 handsProduced 1000 handsInitial random seed 1294748464Time needed 1.641 secI was surprised by the frequency of the 4432 hand. Thanks again :) :) :) :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This is interesting, I guess the reason partner is more likely than LHO to have any spare clubs is that we are (rightly) constraining partner and overcaller from having a 5 card major, therefore LHO is stuck with 3 spades and four hearts, leaving only 6 spots available for clubs. Partner only has 3 of his spaces reserved (for diamonds), so has 10 spaces available for clubs. Don't know without looking at some hands how well the overcall is defined, i.e. whether overcaller would pass a lot of the simulation's 5 card club suits, and would in practice have a 6th club more often than this simulation suggests. My guess is that even though we are looking at 6 clubs, overcaller would also have 6 clubs more often than the simulation's 12% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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