kgr Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (1♦)-DBL-(1M)-3♣How do you play this jump? strong or preemptive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 invitational 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 9+ - 11-ish. Prefer not to have a four card suit if I can help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Mine is extra distribution but not extra strength. More or less the same strength as a 2C free bid here, ~6-10ish. After 1banana-X-1grape most all my bidding except cuebids is based on the "assume points are 20 and 20, let's talk about distribution" theory. Against habitual psychers / ultralight responders, the invitational meaning may still be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 9+ - 11-ish. Prefer not to have a four card suit if I can help it. Can you give an example of a hand you couldn't help it with?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Can you give an example of a hand you couldn't help it with?! If you are asking for a hand with a 4 card suit that I would bid 3♣: 6xxx Kx Qxx KQJx Otherwise, I'll opt for a stopperless 1N, or perhaps a heavy 2♣ in lieu of a jump. (edit - I must have been thinking about something other than bridge when I wrote this. Will revisit this AM). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I had ♣KQxxxx with not much at the side (maybe a J somewhere) and the bidding did go:(1♦)-DBL-(1♠)-2♣(2♦)-Pass-(Pass)-3♣(Pass)-3NT-All PassI hoped that partner didn't expect more from me 2♣-3♣ bids and wondered what a direct 3♣ would have been.Partner had a strong NT hand (We play 1NT for the minors) and made 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 1NT over 1D for the minors is one of the worst conventions I have heard of recently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Preemptive for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Invitational: 5card (well), 9-11H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 1NT over 1D for the minors is one of the worst conventions I have heard of recently.depends on how nebulous 1D is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 1NT over 1D for the minors is one of the worst conventions I have heard of recently.sorry...over 1D it is for H and C; I hope that is a little better :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 sorry...over 1D it is for H and C; I hope that is a little better :) It went from being a 0 on a scale of 1 to 100 to a 0.5. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Can you give an example of a hand you couldn't help it with?!After 1♦ (dbl) 1♠ at IMPs, wouldn't you bid 3♣ with xxx Axx xxx AQJ10? That is, no four-card major, no semblance of a diamond stopper, not strong enough to game-force, and strong enough to worry about missing game after a 2♣ advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I am surprised that this thread has gone on so long. The first two responses (JLOGIC and Phil) were right and seem to cover all of the bases. It is hard to imagine that there is any contrary view held by more than a small minority of players. This is real basic stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Partner had a strong NT hand (We play 1NT for the minors) and made 3NT.Basically you forgot to mention that you play powerdoubles? :P With a standard takeout Dbl this should be invitational, with powerdoubles it depends on what your agreements are. Do you bid with weak distributional hands or do you wait for another Dbl first for example... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 You can still play this jump to 3♣ as invitational using power doubles, but it needs to be five pieces for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Basically you forgot to mention that you play powerdoubles? :P With a standard takeout Dbl this should be invitational, with powerdoubles it depends on what your agreements are. Do you bid with weak distributional hands or do you wait for another Dbl first for example...You can still play this jump to 3♣ as invitational using power doubles, but it needs to be five pieces for sure.=> Powerdouble=takeout DBL that includes the 15-17NT?Yes, a disadvantage is surely that partner is more likely to be be shorter in the suit and that a jump should be 5 or 6-card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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