Rebid problems

[gwnn]

Does anybody ever read the opening post??? 3♣ was not an option the round before!

[tolvyrj]

I dont understand the bidding; is 2C somesort of a strong bid or one of those 2 way.ie. strong any or weak 2 in D. Whatever if 2C is the first one so just strong, i would have bid 3C in first round KQxxxx is alone strong enough for some positive answer. If 2C was the latter case i would have bid 4C to the 3D what else. 3H will be taken as a natural 5- card suit not as something looking for Nt.

[mike777]

I dont understand the bidding; .... Whatever if 2C is the first one so just strong, i would have bid 3C in first round KQxxxx is alone strong enough for some positive answer.

 

 

A positive response takes up a lot of room. You need a heck more than KQxxxx for a pos. response.

 

At least 1.5QT plus more. You need a good long suit and more.

 

Positive response in a suit means more, much more, than just some dead minimum gf response.

[MrAce]

A positive response takes up a lot of room. You need a heck more than KQxxxx for a pos. response.

 

At least 1.5QT plus more.

 

Positive response means more, much more, than just some dead minimum gf response.

 

 

Since when 7 hcp and KQxxxx suit considered as just dead minimum gf vs a 23+ ?

 

Does anybody ever read the opening post??? 3♣ was not an option the round before!

 

I am reading the opening post, 1 more time, and still cant see where it says 3♣ was not an option previous round. (perhaps i shd change my glasses :P ) I would think opener post should mention it, if only comments after 2♦ and on are welcome.

[mike777]

Since when 7 hcp and KQxxxx suit considered as just dead minimum gf vs a 23+ ?

 

 

 

forever your example is more than KQxxxx and is still far too little, and btw 2c does not promise 23 hcp. :)

 

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btw the 2d bid was alerted and in tiny print we see that 2c can be a weak two bid in d.

[MrAce]

forever your example is more than KQxxxx and is still far too little, and btw 2c does not promise 23 hcp. :)

 

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btw the 2d bid was alerted and in tiny print we see that 2c can be a weak two bid in d.

 

Ahhh, i didnt know that we can click on the bidding alerts as if we are in BBO and see the alerts, totally my bad. If 2♣ doesnt mean 23+ i have to take all my comments back.

 

I was wondering, and checked the opener's post many times to see a note at the bottom or something , now i know why. Thanks and sorry :(

[OleBerg]

This was the bidding :

 

[hv=pc=n&s=s43hq42d43ckq7532&n=sak2hak5dakt986c9&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=2cp2dp3dp3hp4cp5cp6hdppp]266|200[/hv]

 

It drifted 2 off for a well deserved loss of 15 imps as 5♦= was played in the other room.

 

First things first: Don't open 2♣ on that.

[Fluffy]

I am reading the opening post, 1 more time, and still cant see where it says 3♣ was not an option previous round. (perhaps i shd change my glasses :P ) I would think opener post should mention it, if only comments after 2♦ and on are welcome.

Change your glasses or hover the mouse over 2♣ and click

[tolvyrj]

Ok sry, i didnt know how to use that "click" system. I agree first round 3C was not possoble bid, but prd 3D confirms a strong hand yes? Now IMO u dont have a choice, u must bid 4C; suit is too good to hide when u know prd is strong. 3H is stab in the dark; its natural by nature 4+ cards, there is no way prd would understand it as bid which seeks 3Nt.

What if 3Nt is u last good spot? Then u got u self a raw deal, but u cant know that and have no way to guess that after 3D bid; u system didnt work out this time, but hey there is no perfect sys in this world.

[whereagles]

First things first: Don't open 2♣ on that.

 

That wasn't the main reason for the disaster. Add the spade queen or so and you'd have a fine 2♣ opener and the same auction problems anyway.

[y66]

Regarding your primary question, one reasonable method is to play 3♥ over 3♦ as artificial, somewhere between a second negative and a waiting bid. 3NT over 3♦ shows 5+ hearts. If you combine that with using 2♣-2♦;3M as four of the major and five diamonds, you have a half-playable system.

 

Still, the best way to make this sequence work is not to have it very often. It's seems particularly foolish to stretch to open 2♣ on a hand where you're going to have to rebid 3♦.

 

First things first: Don't open 2♣ on that.

Yeah, don't open 2♣ there.

 

gnasher's half-playable system works as advertised when it comes up which for me, so far, has only been twice as frequently as a lunar eclipse on the winter solstice. Next one is 2094 I think.

 

Also, I think 3D should exclude hands that have any interest in 3N.

[nigel_k]

I don't mind the 2♣ opening but it is certainly a minimum when the suit is diamonds.

 

IMO you need to be able to make a positive response on this hand type - where you have a pretty good suit and a smattering of values but not enough to be sure of going past 3NT if there is not fit. Then you can just bid 2♣-3♣-3♦-3NT-Pass. Otherwise this hand is much too hard. As it happens 5♦ or 4NT are not much worse than 3NT but that need not always be the case.