cherdano Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I am not sure there is any sense in adding moderators unless there is clear consensus on what they would do. Of course, Andy (gnasher) would be a great choice as a moderator if he was willing to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Since there is an "interesting bridge hands" forum, does that mean that hands posted to B/I or A/E are not interesting? How should a beginner know that a problem is advanced and not just beyond his abilities? Should a beginner playing SAYC post to he beginner forum or to the SAYC forum, what about a precision beginner? There are other forums i know, where a separation makes sense, I don't think everything about the current structure makes sense discussing bridge. Moving posts to other parts of the forum, is just a waste of time. I would suggest that we come up with a better structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I am not sure there is any sense in adding moderators unless there is clear consensus on what they would do. Hallelujah!!! The biggest frustration at my current job are endless meetings arguing over implementation details before there is any agreement about end goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I totally agree that the forum could use some restructuring, or at the very least there could be more active moderation to ensure that threads are posted in the right forum. For starters, it is not valid to post threads in A/E just because you want advanced/experts to answer your question. Here is the description of A/E: Forum designated for experienced and adept bridge players to discuss more advanced topics. Let me be frank, it is not a crime to not be that good at bridge. But it is annoying if you want to discuss a more advanced topic and you have a bunch of n00bs posting n00b stuff cluttering up the thread. It is not your right to invade A/E becuase you feel that YOUR questions or YOUR comments are more important than everyone else, such that you can violate the forum description. And really, it is not the best way to get your questions answered, since you're likely to be flamed there which won't happen in B/I. If you have a question that you want A/E to answer, you can post in B/I. Let's read its description: For our novice to intermediate members to discuss issues and share advice (and for more skilled players to answer questions :). So the descriptions are pretty cut and dried. I do not think we need more moderators, even if the current moderation team might be a little slow sometimes they do a great job, and adding in another mod risks a lot (if that mod is bad/power happy/whatever, it will take a LOT away from the forum imo). Be careful with that one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Let me be frank, it is not a crime to not be that good at bridge. But it is annoying if you want to discuss a more advanced topic and you have a bunch of n00bs posting n00b stuff cluttering up the thread. It is not your right to invade A/E becuase you feel that YOUR questions or YOUR comments are more important than everyone else, such that you can violate the forum description. And really, it is not the best way to get your questions answered, since you're likely to be flamed there which won't happen in B/I. Which shouldn't happen in the B/I, thought it still seems to. I think I'd much rather post in the B/I forum and be told that my question is beyond the scope of the material intended to be there, have it answered by several internationalists (wanted to use that word) and feel like I posted a worthwhile problem that players much better than I am struggle with, than post in the A/E forum to be laughed, and not really get a proper response. This dilemma, BTW, is just another manifestation of the self-ranking inflation. That said, I gotta start posting in the A/E forum more if n00b posts there annoy JLOGIC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antraxxx Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm not sure when the discussion shifted to "adding mods". I thought it was just a matter of changing the policy they enforce. Even something as simple as PMing people telling them "hey, that post you made in B/I was really out of place" would probably solve the problem within a matter of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I do not think we need more moderators, even if the current moderation team might be a little slow, sometimes they do a great job,... I do not think we need more moderators, even if the current moderation team might be a little slow sometimes, they do a great job,... Which comma has been added in the right place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 A number of people have said that they don't really notice what the forum structure is, they just look at 'new posts' or whatever.I think that's part of the problem. Personally, I write completely differently depending on which forum a question is posted to.In the B/I forum I (try to) write clear and detailed answers to easy questions and explain the reasoning behind why some 'standards' are the way they are.In other forums I often just ignore questions I think are not suitable for the subject matter of the forum, and I can be quite abrupt to people. If someone asks a question about how to bid a hand posted in the "SAYC and 2/1" forum I will answer in that context (as far as I can, which is not very for when it comes to SA). If someone asks a question in the 'non-natural' systems forum I might suggest non-standard treatments which I think work well, or might work well. I think the point of having separate forums - rather than some big mishmash - is it allows responders to put replies in context which should be good for everyone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Which comma has been added in the right place? The 2nd. I totally agree with posting completely differently in b/i than elsewhere. Obv I am pretty harsh sometimes (usually) but I don't think I ever am in b/i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 But it is annoying if you want to discuss a more advanced topic and you have a bunch of n00bs posting n00b stuff cluttering up the thread. +1 even if I come off as the occasional n00b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Necroing my thread because I feel moderation manpower has been sorely missing this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Necroing my thread because I feel moderation manpower has been sorely missing this month.Just because we haven't yet censored the guy you're having a catfight with? Or is there a bigger problem? I just removed a post (from someone else) that called someone an f-ing idiot. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Just because we haven't yet censored the guy you're having a catfight with? Or is there a bigger problem?I think in general the N/B forum needs more care. But yes, that one person also deserves more moderator attention. Of course it may be that the N/B forum concept is doomed to fail anyhow and a StackExchange type site would be much better. I dunno. But I think more moderation would at least give it a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I don't read the N/B, I/A, or E forums. So I've not been very active in moderating them, because I can't tell how far from the norm a particular post is; I've been leaving them for Ben to deal with. The posts that have been reported in your squabble seem typical for online behavior, based on my 30 years of Internet experience -- a bit rude, but not vulgar. As I said in another thread, that's the nature of the online world, you need a thicker skin. Trolls can be annoying, but I'm not sure it rises to the level requiring censorship. I was conflicted when I removed the post in the Expert forum. It used excessive language, but then it followed it with bridge material directly on topic. I could have just edited out the epithet, but don't like the idea of rewriting others' posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 As I said in another thread, that's the nature of the online world, you need a thicker skin.Uhm let's make it clear that I was not the one reporting any of those posts. On the contrary I often find them mildly amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Uhm let's make it clear that I was not the one reporting any of those posts. On the contrary I often find them mildly amusing.Then I guess I misunderstood the reason why you reported one of the posts in the "This new forum" thread, and asked for it to be removed. But that could be because I don't read the forum and lacked appropriate context, which is why I haven't taken action on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 OK maybe there was one exception in the N/B because this stuff really doesn't belong there. But think of all the posts I haven't reported before claiming I need a thicker skin. Anyway, since you admit to not reading all those forums, you might want to reconsider making such judgemental comments asyou're having a catfight with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I'm just going by the posts that I looked at because they were reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 30 years of internet experience? How many is that in real, human years? Or do you count time on ARPAnet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 30 years of internet experience? How many is that in real, human years? Or do you count time on ARPAnet? I recalled sending emails via bitnet 30 years ago (and Barry is a contemporary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 30 years of internet experience? How many is that in real, human years? Or do you count time on ARPAnet? I first starting reading & posting to online bulletin boards/newsgroups in 1988. That's 24 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I started using ARPAnet at MIT in 1980, and I was online when the ARPAnet turned into the Internet, New Year's Day 1983. I was also reading Usenet newsgroups before the Internet, when it was distributed via UUCP dialups. So yes, I really do have about 30 years of experience with online discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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