the_dude Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Do you really think that 3♥ is GF ?Why would that be (playing BWS2001) ? I see no reason: it is up to responder to take the initiatve. With a good hand he can bid 3NT/4♥ or 4♠ and with a very good hand (could be hidden by his forcing 1NT) he might go into slam investigation.One round forcing yes: 3♠ is an end-of-the-road bid for me. Unless opener has a very strong 6/4 or 5/5 in the majors, he passes.But I am not an expert. Any views on that ?Is it worthwhile to have a poll on this ? Lurpoa .. Opener needs to be able to force game once Responder has given his initial response .. showing 19-21 and saying "we are going to game I just don't know where yet". In Standard-American-based 2/1 systems (rightly or wrongly) opener does this with a Jump Shift. It is pretty much 100% game forcing in the 2/1 systems that I know. You can start carving out exceptions if you wish, but know that they are not standard, and you need to be able to handle hands without obvious fits. On this auction, responder with Qx KQx KJxxx xxx might very will wish to bid 3♠ and hear from partner again .. not wishing to bid 3NT unilaterally opposite a hand that has shown 9 cards in the majors. But he sure can't do that if partner can pass! Hence the value of the game force. Obviously it's not perfect, and strong club systems handle these hands way way better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Do you really think that 3♥ is GF ?Why would that be (playing BWS2001) ? I see no reason: it is up to responder to take the initiatve. With a good hand he can bid 3NT/4♥ or 4♠ and with a very good hand (could be hidden by his forcing 1NT) he might go into slam investigation.One round forcing yes: 3♠ is an end-of-the-road bid for me. Unless opener has a very strong 6/4 or 5/5 in the majors, he passes.But I am not an expert. Any views on that ?Is it worthwhile to have a poll on this ?no it's not worthwile, everyone* here plays 3♥ as GF (except people who have another way of showing a strong hand, like an artificial forcing 2♣ rebid) *at least 99% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 From the bridge world standard: After a one-level new-suit response and opener’s (game-forcing) jump-shift, responder bids naturally. oh I see this only covers 1x-p-1y where y is a suit not NT. anyway I don't see why it would be logical to play 1S-p-1N3H as non GF and 1H-p-1S3D as GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 In Acol it used to be normal to play 1♠-1NT;3♥ as only a one-round force, probably because of this hand-type. It's gone out of fashion now though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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