olien Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Playing, Matchpoints: [hv=pc=n&s=s732hj52dkqt7ckqt&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=pp4h4s]133|200[/hv] Do not have any way to show a good 4M opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 i think 5H and dbl are the only options. Extremely tough call, id probably x at the table and lead a spade, even at these colors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 5 ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I don't really think that either 5♥ or 4♠ is making, so I will double. This seems like a tougher problem at IMP scoring actually, where it might pay to bid 5♥ because the size of the loss for turning a small plus into a small minus is small, whereas the size of the win on a potential double-game-swing is huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I'd bid 5♥. Whenever I double on this sort of auction, it always seems to make. I don't see why 5♥ shouldn't be making anyway. Partner's allowed to have an outside ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I don't see why 5♥ shouldn't be making anyway. Partner's allowed to have an outside ace.But then you would lose ♥A instead?, seems like 5♥ will be off 3 aces no matter wich ones, and possibly a second spade trick. If partner has a 7-4 with a minor wich is kinda likelly opponents are making 4♠ probably, so 5♥ can be right even non making. All of this depends on how insane partner is in third position, if he already pushed opponents to an unsafe level it would be stupid to bid again to -500. Witha sound partner I'd bid 5♥ but I know a couple of players with whom I'd just pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 He's allowed to have no heart losers, a stiff spade, and a minor ace. But I don't think it's that likely. I expect quite a lot more than half the time either both contracts are down or they make and we go for 500. I don't know which so I would just pass. Maybe I'll get a top playing 1NT on the next hand to get back to 65% average over the two boards :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I think Pass and Double are the real options and I'd opt for passing 'cause I'm in a sort of pessimistic mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I am a 5♥ bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I cannot understand pass since partner is RED opposite a passed hand. Whats this 4H bid lookin like that isnt getting to 10 tricks? I would nearly guarentee partner has 0 or 1 spade and solid hearts. With the A's we're missing onside wont we be makin 4 or 5, and them be cold for 4S also? Or is p is a bit stronger with not necessarily the supreme heart suit we're gonna get lots on defense. I think the pt. is that Partner needs to be stronger for 4H than RHO needs to be for 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Pass for me. A red vs white preempt is supposed to be pure. Partner has a very nice eight card heart suit and little else. I know that 5♥ won't make since we're off three aces. Nothing tells me that 4♠ will go down. Nothing tells me whether it will make. I will leave the last guess for the opponents. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Dbl. RHO was under pressure, so he might have a sub-par hand. Prepared to concede an overtrick, though :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I asked to someone in BBO, who is an OK player in mp (Steve Weinstein) :P Copying and pasting what he said " I'd bid 5H, such a good chance your making it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Pass? We are red vs white...guess it might work out but wow what a view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I very much prefer pass to double, doubling with zero tricks and 11 card fit at the 5 level is lol, but at the 4 level I have no words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Saying that we have 11 hearts while at the same time calling KQTx and KQT in the minors no tricks against their spade fit which we have 3 of... I have no words for that. What is the shape around the table? Maybe RHO is 7006, and LHO is 3271 (with diamonds too weak to preempt), and clubs are 3-3 so they only need to ruff 2 clubs to set them up. That was pretty hard to come up with actually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 My first reaction was instapass. We're likely down 1 or 2 in hearts, and if partner has 1 defensive trick and my minors cough up 2 tricks, they're likely making 4S. Double is better only when they go down - which is possible but I am not convinced it is 50% -- and 5H is only right when they make and we're down only 1, or when we make -- which I don't think is anywhere remotely close to 50%. That's kind of an odd setup, really. 5H and 4S both make: 5H > pass > double.4S makes, we are down 1: 5H > pass > double4S makes, we are down 2: pass > 5H > double4S makes, we are down 3: pass > double > 5H4S fails, we are down: double > pass > 5H If you are shooting for a top, 5H has a plurality. If you are avoiding a bottom, pass is the standout. It's going to depend a lot on your preempting style. But you need hyper-soundness, not just classical preempting, to make 5H make more than half the time, and you need a fair bit of defense from partner to make doubling right more than half the time. On reflection I still think it's a pretty clear matchpoint pass. (Though you can construct partners and fields that make each of the 3 actions right.) Most fields I've ever seen, there is no such thing as a unanimous 1st or 2nd seat 4H opening -- invariably a third of them will prefer 3H or a third of them will prefer 1H. At those other tables there's a lower-level decision going on, which IMO makes 5H an even worse bid, because even when it's a good sacrifice it will be down one more than people in 4H and won't be a good sacrifice against 3S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 5♥ seems pretty obvious to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Saying that we have 11 hearts while at the same time calling KQTx and KQT in the minors no tricks against their spade fit which we have 3 of... I have no words for that. What is the shape around the table? Maybe RHO is 7006, and LHO is 3271 (with diamonds too weak to preempt), and clubs are 3-3 so they only need to ruff 2 clubs to set them up. That was pretty hard to come up with actually! zero quick tricks better?, we will likelly make 1 trick, unsurprisingly even 2, but it takes 4 tricks to defeat 4♠, 5 tricks to get 300. Playing opponents to have a nearly mirror 5134 doesn't work in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike gill Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ugh bridge is hard. My first instinct was to bid 5♥ banking on one of the two contracts (and maybe them failing to double sometimes when 5♥ is -2) making or them bidding 5♠. 5♥ could even be 1100 though (xxx KQT9xxxx x x looks like a reasonable 3rd seat 4♥ to me), and surely they won't miss the double in that case. I think I would want to be at the table for this problem - partner's style and the opponents' tendencies are pretty important. Assuming partner is sane I think I would still bid 5♥ and hope for something good to be happening. At least I have 3 ways to win (one shot at each contract making, plus them bidding 5♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Curiously, this is easy if we are VUL or n/n. I got 2DT(slow yes) X.At favorable, my partner could have garbage, now I'll leave it to him to X if he has 2+DT. They may escape undoubled when we have 4-5DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 zero quick tricks better?, we will likelly make 1 trick, unsurprisingly even 2, but it takes 4 tricks to defeat 4♠, 5 tricks to get 300. Playing opponents to have a nearly mirror 5134 doesn't work in my experience. The opps don't have to have 10 spades you know! One guy overcalled 4S, and one guy has not shown (or denied) support. It just seemed like you were being disingenuous to make your point when you say we have no tricks, obviously when we have this many hearts and are leading a trump our minor suits rate to take tricks. If you really think they must have 10 spades and we have 11 hearts, you should obviously bid 5H since we are almost cold and it might be a double game swing! Passing is just absurdly underrating the value of our minor suit holdings on defense, as is calling our hand zero tricks. I would guess that we are very likely to have 3 tricks, and partner bid 4H red/white opposite a passed hand. He easily might have a minor suit ace, and does not show 8 hearts necessarily by opening 4H. FWIW I like 5H I just think passing is nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Most fields I've ever seen, there is no such thing as a unanimous 1st or 2nd seat 4H opening -- invariably a third of them will prefer 3H or a third of them will prefer 1H. Partner is in 3rd seat and red/white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ugh bridge is hard Bridge is easy. Guessing is what is hard B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Once I decide to not pass I have to realize this might not be my last decision.assuming we are using the superior podi/pori (vs dopi ropi) I would now bid 4N. There is no guarantee that pushing to 5h is correct but getting an aces response from partner will leave me much better placed concerning what to do over 5s. Bidding 5h now is just plain not as effective as 4n. I would rate 4n=10 5h=6 pass=5 x=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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