Multi vs Weak twos

[whereagles]

richard, remember to take your medication :)

[mgoetze]

richard, remember to take your medication :)

 

I just gave him an upvote, hope that helps.

[hotShot]

I once played a wide ranged weak only Multi to show a 6card M preempt and used 2M for 5 card preempts that could have a side suit.

But the competition was not good enough to know if that was a good idea.

[Phil]

Flannery please. And weak 2's.

 

Boring, I know.

[Siegmund]

opening (say) 2♠ as spades and a minor tells them how to play the hand

Doesn't exactly the same criticism apply to Wilcosz, only more so since you know it's 5-5?

 

As already mentioned, Wilkosz is more abiguous at least on opening lead, with no anchor suit; and, perhaps more importantly to me, it puts all of the 'criticism' on one opening, rather than on both 2H and 2S (and maybe also a third bid,if you want to cover all two-suiters.)

[Vampyr]

The big gain with multi is that you gain 2 new openings (2H and 2S) that you can use for whatever you want (a lot of people use them for weak 5M/4+m hands).

Yes, I usually play weak 2's myself but have seen a lot of auctions stolen by Lucas-type 2's. Man, this new interface is truly hideous.

[Vampyr]

Flannery please. And weak 2's.Boring, I know.

 

Flannery? For real?

[Free]

Flannery please. And weak 2's.

 

Boring, I know.

Even when playing the F-convention, you can open 2♥ on the F-hands and play multi 2♦ (and have 2♠ still available). Granted, F-2♥ may be worse than F-2♦ (no experience with that actually), but you still have a choice what to do with your weak two's. :P

[Phil]

Yes - for reals.

 

Not a fan of F-2♥. One of the main reasons to play it is to get the known hand on the table. Also, playing in 2♦ is no longer an option (it happens).

[mich-b]

An important advantage of the Multi over weak 2s is that when responder has a good hand , and we end up playing 4-of-a-major,

we play it from responder's hand (it is not difficult to arrange your responses this way).

 

This is very good because :

1. The known hand is seen, and nothing is known about the closed hand (how many trumps? is there a side suit?

are there ruffing values?)

2. Since responder's hand is probably stronger , making it declare is likely to protect some honours on trick 1. (less important than (1) imo).

 

I think this advantage , makes your chances to make 4M (or sometimes 3M when you invite and opener rejects) considerably better. Most of the posters only discussed Multi's (obvious) drawbacks as a preemptive tool, but ignore this feature as a constructive tool on the way to bidding our game.

[nige1]

Tsetse Club uses Trypanosomiasis Twos:

 

• 2♣ = 8-12 HCP & 4+ ♣ & 4+ ♦.
• 2♦ = Multi: 5-9 HCP & 5+ major or 20-21 HCP flat.
• 2♥/♠ = 8-12 HCP & 4 of bid-suit & 5+ minor.
• 2N = 5-9 HCP & 5+ ♥ & 5+ any other.

[Free]

Tsetse Club uses Trypanosomiasis Twos:

 

• 2♣ = 8-12 HCP & 4+ ♣ & 4+ ♦.
• 2♦ = Multi: 5-9 HCP & 5+ major or 20-21 HCP flat.
• 2♥/♠ = 8-12 HCP & 4 of bid-suit & 5+ minor.
• 2N = 5-9 HCP & 5+ ♥ & 5+ any other.

Your point being?

[nige1]

Your point being?

That whether you prefer multi to weak-twos depends not only on designing a coherent 2-level structure but also on the rest of your system :)

[nige1]

An important advantage of the Multi over weak 2s is that when responder has a good hand , and we end up playing 4-of-a-major, we play it from responder's hand (it is not difficult to arrange your responses this way). This is very good because :

1. The known hand is seen, and nothing is known about the closed hand (how many trumps? is there a side suit?

are there ruffing values?)

2. Since responder's hand is probably stronger , making it declare is likely to protect some honours on trick 1. (less important than (1) imo).

I think this advantage , makes your chances to make 4M (or sometimes 3M when you invite and opener rejects) considerably better. Most of the posters only discussed Multi's (obvious) drawbacks as a preemptive tool, but ignore this feature as a constructive tool on the way to bidding our game.

Agree with mich-b. For example, to the 2N relay, we respond as follows:

3♣/♦ = 5-7 HCP & weak-two in ♥/♠. Now 3♥/♠ are to play but 3♦/♥ are further relays.

3♥/♠ = 8-9 HCP & weak-two in ♠/♥.

3N = 20-21 HCP & flat.