jillybean Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I think this is quite obvious but the hand caused quite a heated discussion. [hv=pc=n&s=sj53haq962dqj2ct8&n=sk87h7dak964cakj2&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2sdp4hp4np5cp5dp5hp5np6hdppp]266|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 LOL, 150% blame to North. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Yeah, 150% seems about right :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 North should be taken out and shot... Other than the initial double - which I don't like but have a small degree of sympathy for - I can't find a single bid by North that doesn't make my skin crawl... At the table, I expect that I would perpetrate something like (2♠ - 2N - (P) - 3♦(P) - 3♥ - (P) - 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I agree with the posters that North is entirely to blame. I have very little sympathy for the double. I would much rather make a heavy 3♦ call. If partner cannot act over 3♦, we may be in the right contract. The 2NT overcall might work, but it has serious flaws. If my spade holding were KJx instead of Kxx I would have more sympathy for a 2NT overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I love your heading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 100% West - how dare he open a weak two then double our slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I could give as much as 400% to North, for doubling, RKCing, and asking for HQ and extra kings when two key cards are missing :) South on the other hand UNDERbid, by failing to show HQ over 5D. Flip a coin between an offshape 2NT or an overstrength 3D. Either one could work or not work on any given day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 100% West - how dare he open a weak two then double our slam.Worse than that, West psyched the 2♠ opening holdingAQT964, KT53, x, xxeveryone knows you can't open a weak 2M with 4 cards in the other major. Yes, North was the expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 South denied ♥Q for an unknown reason, if he bids 5NT he saves some points, so not blameless, still north is the one who made terrible double and then wanted to rectify on an impossible way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l milne Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Yes, North was the expert. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Worse than that, West psyched the 2♠ opening holdingAQT964, KT53, x, xxeveryone knows you can't open a weak 2M with 4 cards in the other major. Yes, North was the expert. North is 100% to blame here. I trust you are joking with your comment regarding 4 in the other Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Kathryn, sometimes you have to accept that you are the expert. After all, you have the right strategy to reality check your plays and bids with good players on the forum. The club experts just KNOW that they are right when they are wrong. They stop thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I trust you are joking with your comment regarding 4 in the other Major.Lol, of course. -1400 provided the incentive to atleast think about an adjustment ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingolfin3 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I'm curious as to what North would possibly have to say during the "heated discussion" that followed this hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length) Maybe he can double and then cuebid. I think that tends to be strain-seeking rather than promising heart support but I'm not sure. He could also just overcall 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 LOL @ North, he's a funny clown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 North probably meant X then 4NT as natural. Of course when South takes it as RKC then disaster ensues... Personally I'd have just bid 3NT. Kxx isn't ideal but you can't have everything, particularly when opps pre-empt. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 How should North bid with ♥K iso ♥7?(I wonder if he can DBL and then has a bid over 4♥ that shows a strong hand without ♥ length)North probably meant X then 4NT as natural. Of course when South takes it as RKC then disaster ensues...That is why I had that question: how to bid none ♥ fit after a DBL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj53haq962dqj2ct8&n=sk87h7dak964cakj2&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2sdp4hp4np5cp5dp5hp5np6hdppp]266|200|I think this is quite obvious but the hand caused quite a heated discussion.[/hv] IMO, North deserves sympathyIn an bidding-competition, some experts would double with North's hand. After the double, there seems to be no practical recovery-route, in a scratch partnership.Over 4♥, arguably, new-suits and 4N should be Natural and 4♠ should be RKCB. Anyway established partnerships usually have some agreement. Unfortunately, NS were probably a scratch partnership, with no agreements.Only the gullible and naive on BBO are impressed by an expert self-classification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 In an bidding-competition, some experts would double with North's hand. Names, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm gonna have to disagree. When North came to the table he said North: hi all have fun Also his entire profile read ExpertSayc full South neither left the table, nor booted him, so 99% south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 In an bidding-competition, some experts would double with North's hand. After the double, there seems to be no practical recovery-route, in a scratch partnershipThe fact that there is no recovery route after the second most likely response is exactly why no expert* would double in a scratch partnership. * Ok, the Unlucky Expert from Why You Lose at Bridge possibly would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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