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[jillybean]

ATB?

 

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and the seond hand;

ALL NV, IMP

 

Partner opens 1♣ in 2nd position, (double) to you,

 

KJ4, 7, Q3, KQT7542

[pooltuna]

If one is available then South for not making a nonconstructive raise.

 

 

 

Edit: Did see the data on the 2nd hand earlier. I always start these with an XX if I have the HCP values.

[nigel_k]

The first one is 100% South. Maybe my grandmother would have passed 1♥ but the hand is obviously a maximum after that. Maybe North should have bid game too but I can't give South less than 100% for such an appalling action as passing the 3♥ invite.

 

The second one is too good for any preemptive action. If you play splinters after a double you can do that, otherwise 2NT or whatever shows a good club raise.

[Phil]

1. Don't pass 1♥, but thats not really the culprit. Don't bid 2♦. I much prefer redouble to characterize the strength of the heart suit and show extras. South has shown so far xxxxx xx xx xxxx - how many times does South have to say, "I have nothing"? Easy raise to 4♥ IMO.

 

2. Whatever I have to show a good raise in clubs - hopefully 2N. Or, do I have the option of making a splinter over a double?

[jillybean]

Wow, I consider myself an aggressive bidder but perhaps I'm closer to a Granny than I think.

I didn't consider raising 1♥ at all, please explain why you would.

 

I do see that my seond pass is awful.

[Phil]

I *never* said I'd raise hearts. I would bid 1N. I'll bet the other non-passers would too.

[jillybean]

Ok, what do you do after

1♥:1N

2♦ ?

[mike777]

deal one...south should just bid 4hover 3h...this is imps..bid games...if you go down so be it.

 

agree with pass of 1h.

 

deal two.....3h splinter/gf/..easy.

 

shows roughly a 6 loser hand, long clubs, short h, npp. I play splinters are limited bids, not unlimited.

[jillybean]

This is the second deal

 

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[mike777]

5c looks like it is a tiny bit over 50% and at the nonexpert table they may cash the two aces at tricks one and two :)

[mgoetze]

1. Don't pass 1♥, but thats not really the culprit. Don't bid 2♦. I much prefer redouble to characterize the strength of the heart suit and show extras

 

It's funny how redouble didn't even cross my mind, even though it's a pretty good description of this hand. Oh well, next time. :)

[kgr]

It's funny how redouble didn't even cross my mind, even though it's a pretty good description of this hand. Oh well, next time. :)

I don't like the REDBL with a fit. It gives the opps the change to preempt 2H/3H/4H and will you pass if your partner Doubles that?

I always prefer to show my fit immediately instead of this REDBL or a penalty Pass.

[mgoetze]

I don't like the REDBL with a fit.

 

You mean my 6-card fit with myself or what?

[kgr]

You mean my 6-card fit with myself or what?

...Sorry (That is why I think it is better and clearer to use 2 posts for 2 unrelated hands :rolleyes: )

[JLOGIC]

Jilly, passing 1H is alright and I would never criticize it. You won't see many top players passing with this hand because of the vulnerability among other things, it is just very good tactically to respond rather than pass, especially against good opps who will drill you if you pass.

 

However since it is basically their style and they have a lot of experience with it, their partners won't go crazy or start doubling everything just because of the response. Playing with a random pickup partner I think having your bids is a good idea, more important than tactical considerations.

 

That said, you have to bid 4H after the 3H bid, your hand is AWESOME in context! You cannot have much more, and could have a lot less. Your 3rd trump is great, especially in conjunction with the stiff diamond (you have trumps to ruff diamonds with), and you never know about the QJ of spades.

[wank]

Ok, what do you do after

1♥:1N

2♦ ?

 

i would slap partner for his ridiculous 2♦ bid. after hearing a reponse, you can't stop below game.

[han]

Regarding hand 2, always redoubling with a good hand is apparently a common rule, see for instance the post by pooltuna. It is often wrong though, and here it is very wrong.

 

Your partner just opened in your SEVEN card suit, how often does that happen? You are not going to defend even if your partner makes a penalty double, and redouble does not describe your hand and gives the opponents all the room in the world to make things difficult for you.

 

I would bid 3H, splinter. When you have a distributional hand with a great fit, try to tell your partner as quickly as possible.

 

There are many more hands where it is wrong to redouble. Say you hold - AQxxx KJxxx xxx, partner opens 1C and RHO doubles. You have enough HCP to redouble, but if you do, then you will probably never get to show your suits, maybe not even one of them. And you have no interest in defending 1S or 2S. If you bid 1H now, at least you have shown that suit, and there is a good chance that you will be able to show your diamonds too.

[han]

By the way, 5C is quite a good game, the doubler is likely to have the spade queen.

[Finch]

On the first hand, what JLOGIC said. It's not silly to pass 1H, although you will see a lot of good players responding on virtually nothing, particularly if they can bid a forcing (or semi-forcing) 1NT, and then show it as a weak hand. Some others (probably more common in the UK) might raise 1H to 2H, but their partners will know they can have this weak a hand. Pass is the normal down-the-middle action unless you have discussed very light responses with your partner. That said, you can't possibly pass 3H, you have a huge hand. Opener might have done something else over the double, but I don't mind 2D as it's really unlikely to end the auction; I think 1H P P x xx should show a more balanced strong hand.

 

On the second, I wouldn't risk 3H after 1C x if partner might think it is a weak hand with long hearts (which is not that uncommonly played), or might think it is a fit bid with hearts and clubs (which is how I would play it when discussed). If I had a forcing club raise after the double, I would make it (e.g. 2NT), if not the auction chosen wasn't silly, and 5C is a perfectly good spot.