Fluffy Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 ♠J72♥J63♦AKQ♣J854 MPs, all vul, partner deals 1♦-(1♥)-?? double shows 4 spades today :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 2d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 1NT. I was going to bid 2♣, but then I started trying to construct balanced 14-counts opposite which we'd miss game, and I couldn't think of many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 This is close to an idea (not my invention) that I raised on a thread a few weeks back...passing, intending to cue bid if partner reopens. But I don't like the shape nor the plethora of jacks, so I'll content myself with what only seems like an underbid...1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 ♠J72 ♥J63 ♦AKQ ♣J854 MPs, all vul, partner deals1♦-(1♥)-??double shows 4 spades today :/ IMO 2♣ = 10, 2♦ (if still inverted) = 8, 2♥ (UCB) = 7, _X = 4, 1N = 3, 1N is superficially attractive but it's an underbid. Worse, if partner has ♥Ax or [HE}Kxx and we belong in no-trump, that contract is probably better played by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Why can't I double? Ok, 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Agree with 1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If you bid 1NT it will go like this: 1♦-(1♥)-1NT-(ps)ps-(2♣)- X - (2♠)ps-(ps)- ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Come on, pard is unlimited. There's no reason to be pessimistic and mastermind a 1NT bid. A bid which is likely to be passed out if pard has a balanced 13-14 (very possible). Just bid your hand: 2♥. If pard has the 12-14 NT he'll bid 2/3NT, and if he's unbalanced with 5+ diamonds our support is more than adequate. Look at the mess you caused by bidding 1NT :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 There's no reason to be pessimistic and mastermind a 1NT bid.This looks like a proper evaluation more than an underbid or mastermind, mike, andy and justin can hardly be all wrong on the same deal, and I find it very conforting that they opted for the same bid as me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I can understand 1nt that was my close secondchoice. I just picked 2d(less than invite) to tell pard my bestsuit.2h for me would show a much better hand, not this junk. I mean pard can often open 1d on less than 12 and I dont assume she will have 14 or more. what happens over 2d pls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If you bid 1NT it will go like this:1♦-(1♥)-1NT-(ps)ps-(2♣)- X - (2♠)ps-(ps)- ?? Now, 3♦ = 10, 2N = 9, _X = 8, _P = 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I can understand 1nt that was my close secondchoice. I just picked 2d(less than invite) to tell pard my bestsuit.2h for me would show a much better hand, not this junk. I mean pard can often open 1d on less than 12 and I dont assume she will have 14 or more. what happens over 2d pls?partner will bid a negative 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If you bid 1NT it will go like this: 1♦-(1♥)-1NT-(ps)ps-(2♣)- X - (2♠)ps-(ps)- ?? I'd double 2♠, without much conviction. Partner knows I have only three, so he won't leave it in with a singleton. I hope he leads a trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 This looks like a proper evaluation more than an underbid or mastermind, mike, andy and justin can hardly be all wrong on the same deal, and I find it very conforting that they opted for the same bid as me :) I'm used to go against the world and be right, Galileo style B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I will settle for an unimaginative 2C on the first round. Don't like 1NT with 3 lies (extra hcp, both majors unstopped), and think a cuebid on a 9-loser hand and no guaranteed fit is a shocking overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Unsupported jacks are very bad, AKQ tight is very bad, holding in opponents suit is bad as well. Just an awful hand. If I was a good player of course I would never downgrade but this looks like at least a two point downgrade to me. Kaplan/Rubens rates it a 9.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 1N is not only right, it is correct. Anything else is for the point counting wraiths of the bridge world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I'm used to go against the world and be right, Galileo style B) And you decided that winning was more important than being a pioneer? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I will settle for an unimaginative 2C on the first round. Don't like 1NT with 3 lies (extra hcp, both majors unstopped), and think a cuebid on a 9-loser hand and no guaranteed fit is a shocking overbid. I think 2♣ is a fine bid (way better than 1NT IMO), but I dispute that the cue is an overbid. - First of all, if opener is balanced he'll bid 2/3NT now and we won't be playing diamonds, so the fit isn't an issue.- Second, if opener is unbalanced then he has 5 diamonds and it's ok again.- Third, it's a 9 loser hand but the LTC is meant for suit play, whereas here all points to playing the hand in NT, in which case the HCP count is a good evaluator.- Fourth, the cue has it all covered: ... 2♥2♠ -> assiming it's GF with a stopper, you can now bid 3♥ showing a half-stop there2NT -> assming this is a 12/bad 13, now is the time to exercise judgement and pass3♣ -> as 2♠.3♦ -> this is some unbalanced min. Pass.3♥ -> probably a good 13/14 with half stop. Bid 3NT. Pard will raise to 4NT if he's on the 18-19 range.3♠ -> splinter, thus 5 diamonds. Easy 4/5♦, depending on your agreements.3NT -> good 13/14 with stop. Pass easy game :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Thi sis the hand as I recall it.[hv=pc=n&s=sj42hj72dakqcj752&w=st987653hq3d63c93&n=saqh984d87542caq4&e=skhakt65djt9ckt86]399|300[/hv] Doubling 2♠ was maybe a mistake, since +100 was already 96%, and -110 would stillbe about 65% I think, but +200 was 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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