Out of sync - I

[Phil]

Partner and I played lousy tonight and blew a lot of boards. Playing with stomach flu didn't help matters much either.

 

Here's the first:

 

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Comments? ATB?

 

Rip away.

[the hog]

Partner and I played lousy tonight and blew a lot of boards. Playing with stomach flu didn't help matters much either.

 

Here's the first:

 

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Comments? ATB?

 

Rip away.

 

I think you should pass 5C, Phil. Partner was under pressure when he made that bid. Sure, you have a fine hand, but still....

[Siegmund]

Unlucky, on this hand, that you weren't playing a 16-19 range for 2NT.

 

It's true you're expecting 6 of the missing points to be in spades where you will have no losers, if you trust this South not to open a 5-card weak two in third seat.But you DID ask for a lot from your passed-hand partner for slam (even if he has two aces, losing a heart and a club, or two hearts, is possible.) In the greater scheme of things I'd call this just a slight misjudgment and blame it on the stomach flu, not a horrendous error.

[han]

Clear pass of 5C, especially at these colors.

[Fluffy]

East is to blame for bidding partner's hand, making the mistake when west also wanted to bid his hand

[JLOGIC]

6C is awful. It could work but it just punishes partner a large amount of the time imo.

[Fluffy]

Seems like I am lonely on my thinkings.

 

Notice that south is weak and north is a passed hand, 5♣ should be bid to make, not as a sacrifice. Obviously it will be good to sacrifice sometimes, but IMO not enough to have a very ambiguous 5♣ bid.

[nige1]

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Comments? ATB? Rip away.[/hv]

Can't criticise. Were I East or West, I hope I would bid identically.

[pooltuna]

Partner and I played lousy tonight and blew a lot of boards. Playing with stomach flu didn't help matters much either.

 

Here's the first:

 

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Comments? ATB?

 

Rip away.

 

It looks like east requires and expects west to hold a 2♣ opener to X 2♠ :)

[Phil]

I think you should pass 5C, Phil. Partner was under pressure when he made that bid. Sure, you have a fine hand, but still....

 

 

Ron, I don't think I was specific on who held what hand did I?

[rduran1216]

raising 2S to 4S red is gonna require some quick tricks. Opening 2S red, is gonna requires a decent spade suit. I think its a clear pass of 5C, and expect to go down in 5 a decent % of the time.

[Phil]

No discussion about forcing passes?

[mikeh]

1. I blame West. East was under pressure...he held the sort of hand on which if 5♣ fails, sometimes 4♠ fetches, so he can't afford to pass...unless the auction established a fp...more about that below.

 

As for West, yes he has a lot of hcp, but it's a shitty 19, if there ever were one, and (more importantly) he has to accept that partner was under pressure and may be weaker than, say, 5♣ over a tamer raise to 3♠. I think it to be a very useful priniciple that a big hand should err on the side of underbidding when partner has made a call under pressure.....we all want to encourage our partners to be aggressive under pressure, and this kind of result leaves partners such as East hung out to dry.

 

2. I can't even begin to wrap my head around why this auction to 4♠ should be considered to create a fp. Our double created no force at all. Surely no-one plays that a raise to 3♠ followed by 2 passes creates a force? So why would a potentially stronger move by LHO create a fp at an even higher level? Does LHO's belief that they can make game somehow make partner's holdings stronger? 4♠ was not necessarily a sign of weakness....allow them to create a fp on such an innocuous auction, and they own you for life.

 

Me bad..... I didn't see N was a passed hand....so a lot of my argument flies out of the window...but I still don't see this as a fp....because our double didn't create any sort of force. And, of course, the fact that LHO is a ph means that so is partner, which would, again, mean that fp makes little sense. We show an opening hand via the double, but partner denied one by his original pass, and we think that we are either likely to defeat this contract or that the 5-level belongs to us? I don't think so.

[whereagles]

I think the bidding was fine. Preempts work.

 

If something, East was a bit optimistic with 5♣. The bid certainly was reasonable, though. Over 5♣ I think West's raise is justified. I mean.. come on he has like an AK more than the average dbl.

[cherdano]

No discussion about forcing passes?

 

If the janitor doesn't know which side should play pass as forcing, then pass isn't forcing.

[Phil]

The Janitor plays forcing passes when the opponents preempt and a passed hand raises.

 

Its in the union contract.

[nigel_k]

West should pass. Slam doesn't need a perfect hand opposite, but given East has passed initially it does need quite a narrow range of hands. If South had opened in first seat, I would definitely blame East though.

[the hog]

Ron, I don't think I was specific on who held what hand did I?

True, but you are too polite and very rarely post hands on which your partner made an error.

[Phil]

True, but you are too polite and very rarely post hands on which your partner made an error.

 

heh, you know me too well. Yeah I was the West hand. Horrible bid that 6♣.

[whereagles]

I just saw the 5♣ bidder was a passed hand. As such, perhaps 6♣ was indeed optimistic.

[han]

True, but you are too polite and very rarely post hands on which your partner made an error.

 

heh, you know me too well.

 

:)

[mfa1010]

The Janitor plays forcing passes when the opponents preempt and a passed hand raises.

 

Its in the union contract.

The janitor doesn't read union contracts, he relies on common sense. So when it wouldn't occur to him that a pass here could be played as forcing then it isn't.