gnasher Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=sakt932h4d874ct82&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2c]133|200[/hv]Matchpoints.1♦ promised four. 2♠ would be a one-round force, and 3♠ would be a fit bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 I would bid 2S. I assume that I can bid a non-forcing 3♦ over partner's 2NT. The worst shape to hit partner with is 2443, but with any other shape we have a 9-card spade fit or a 5-3 diamond fit with a ruffing value in the short trump hand, either of which gives us a little excuse for overbidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 2S, I would definitely follow it up with 3S though not 3D. I consider this completely routine so I await your thoughts on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 2♠ is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 When I wasn't playing NFBs this kind of hand was suposed to double adn then bid spades, does this exist nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 I would also bid a forcing 2S then a NF 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 2♠ and 3 ♠ later sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=sakt932h4d874ct82&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2c]133|200[/hv]Matchpoints.1♦ promised four. 2♠ would be a one-round force, and 3♠ would be a fit bid. Not sure if a negative X followed by a ♠ call shows this hand but IMO it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 2♠. Dangerous, but so is passing. I'd rather pass though, than make a negative double; Partner will so often go over the hill in hearts. If everybody passes 2♣, the number of spades we would get to contract, would typically be to high on a club lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 2S, although... I play that double shows 4+ spades and does not promise hearts (both 2D and 3C would show hearts, resp. NF and F). In that context a double could be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I pass, but I do not like your methods. I want to be able to play 2♠, if partner does not fit ♠. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I have 2H xfer to spades. I try that and I'm done unless partner gets going with S-fit or his own monster hand. Partner expects this xfer to be weak to just under invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Nobody answered me :(, what is double and then bid spades on standard methods?, I don't mean it to be best, but since nobody ever suggests this on the forums I wanna know why, and if they would ever do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Nobody answered me :(, what is double and then bid spades on standard methods?, I don't mean it to be best, but since nobody ever suggests this on the forums I wanna know why, and if they would ever do it. It is spades and less then a direct 2♠. To bid it, the prime requisite (apart from the spades :D ) would be short clubs. Edit: I wouldn't believe this to be "standard", just what I would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 On the actual hand, partner (who thinks that the Gambling 3NT is a bad gamble) has x J98 AKQ10xxx xx, and spades are 4-2, so par is to find the save in 5♦ over 4♥. If you bid 2♠ it will go (dbl) 3♦ (3♥), and LHO will bid 4♥ over whatever you do. I posted this hand mainly because of the question that Fluffy asked: is this hand allowed to double, planning to convert hearts to spades? If you doubled and partner bid 4♥, the world wouldn't necessarily end - you could bid 4♠, assuming it shows this sort of hand, and that might be OK, or partner might convert to a making 5♦. It feels horrible to double with a singleton heart, but maybe it's not actually that bad. If 2♠ followed by 3♠ shows this hand, it means that you have no way to show an invitational one-suiter. I know that in competitive auctions we can't often show invitational hands, but this is one where I thought we still could. As Dake50 pointed out, transfers would solve this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 what is double and then bid spades on standard methods? It's just about this hand... if you get the chance to show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 As Dake50 pointed out, transfers would solve this problem. Just so you know where you're getting into, I've once devised one such transfer system after overcalls. It worked fine on paper (I managed to cover up just about every case), but at the table it was just too much stuff to memorize. So I ended up labeling it as 'pro stuff' and eventually discarded it. Ben (inquiry) has notes on a similar method called "the overcall structure". Ask him if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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