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[MrAce]

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TEAM MATCH,IMPS.

 

2♣=Precision, 11-16 ♣s

 

3♣=cue, showing ♥ fit

 

Which bid is MOST unacceptable to you and why ?

 

Thanks :)

[mfa1010]

West's 3♠ is a misbid because it should be natural. Even if it were a cuebid it would be much too optimistic with that crap. 5♥ looks a little desperate - with that west hand I would have taken my chances in 4♠.

I think that 3♣ is a little too tough. I prefer 3♥. The values are pretty soft and having only two hearts is a big flaw.

Most of the blame to west.

[Phil]

Agree with MFA; 3♥ is a practical call.

[hotShot]

What is the minimum strength for the 2♥ overcall?

If it is less than what West actually holds, the East hand is not worth a 3♣ or 3♥ call.

[nigel_k]

If 3♣ agreed hearts and East chose to do that with Kx, then he has to follow up by converting 3♠ to 4♥ so 4♠ is the worst call.

 

If 3♣ did not agree hearts, then West's 3♠ is wrong but 5♥ is worse.

 

If it was a misunderstanding about what 3♣ means, then I mostly blame East for making that call when the meaning is unclear and he has a decent alternative of 3♥.

[MrAce]

What is the minimum strength for the 2♥ overcall?

If it is less than what West actually holds, the East hand is not worth a 3♣ or 3♥ call.

 

I think 2♥ overcall in red can not be any worse than this. Can be weaker as bean count with shapely hands, but with 5332 i think thats the minimum hand.

[Trinidad]

I think 2♥ overcall in red can not be any worse than this. Can be weaker as bean count with shapely hands, but with 5332 i think thats the minimum hand.

Now there are two misteries:

 

o Why did East promiss heart support when he didn't have it?

o Why did West force to game with a minimum hand?

 

Hard to say which one of the two is harder to understand.

 

Rik

[pooltuna]

the most unacceptable call is 3♣

[MrAce]

Now there are two misteries:

 

o Why did East promiss heart support when he didn't have it?

o Why did West force to game with a minimum hand?

 

Hard to say which one of the two is harder to understand.

 

Rik

 

Alternatives to 3♣ are a-3♥ b-3♦

 

3♥ also promise ♥ fit :) The differnce between 3♥ and 3♣ is nothing but strength. No need to mention 2 level overcalls mostly require 6 cards suit. I agree there are hand types when we all bid with 5, if passing seems wrong. But if that is your only concern, just grab a ♥ and put it to East hand. It won't make too much miracle in the result.

 

3♦ is just...lets say not my style with this hand :)

 

And don't ya all think, actually 3♣ double, should be enough help by opponents for EW to get back on the ground ? Could west just simply pass to show non spectacular hand ? Or do we all think he has top or average + of his 2♥ overcall ?

[mfa1010]

And don't ya all think, actually 3♣ double, should be enough help by opponents for EW to get back on the ground ? Could west just simply pass to show non spectacular hand ? Or do we all think he has top or average + of his 2♥ overcall ?

West's hand improves when he get supported because his weak suit is not such a big concern anymore. Contrast to ♥AQJTxx in a 6322 type.

 

Yes, west should probably just pass 3♣X. But if partner has a sound style of good raises then driving to game is ok.

[whereagles]

3♣ = optimistic. 2NT would be better (shape/strength before stoppers... ALWAYS)

3♠= pointless. Pass would be better.

5♥= wtf???

[Phil]

3♣ is adjective bridge - it isn't some vague nudge because new suits are forcing. Therefore, it promises a fit.

[MrAce]

3♣ is adjective bridge - it isn't some vague nudge because new suits are forcing. Therefore, it promises a fit.

 

So does 3♥ :)

[nige1]

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TEAM MATCH,IMPS.

2♣=Precision, 11-16 ♣s

3♣=cue, showing ♥ fit

Which bid is MOST unacceptable to you and why ?[/hv]

• Over (2♣): 2♥ = 10, _P = 9, _X = 7
• Over 2♥: 3♥ = 10, 3♣ = 6 but, anyway, I think 3♣ should be a UCB, not promising a ♥ fit.
• Over 3♣(_X): _P = 10, 3♥ = 9, 3♠ (cue-bid)= 7.
• Over 3♠: 4♥ = 10, 4♠ = 2. If 3♣ set ♥ as trumps, then 4♠ should show a control.
• Over 4♠: 5♥ = 10, but suppress your urge to run when you see dummy :)

[Phil]

So does 3♥ :)

 

Thanks, I read that above.

 

I can't remember raising a lot of overcalls with invitational values with doubletons, although I am sure its happened.

 

I can remember, however, making lots of raises with doubletons on "one bid" hands.

 

Are you looking for justification for 3♣?

[gszeszycki]

100% blame goes to 3s bid. Assuming this partnership plays 3c as a heart raise.

 

At imps the 3c bid is sort of necessary but the 2h bidder has to realize they are

dead minimum (or a tad below) for their 2h bid and try to slow p down. Can't imagine

what they are thinking by bidding 3s.

[the hog]

I greatly dislike 3C. I think 3S is very poor. So for me 50% to each player.

[MrAce]

 

Are you looking for justification for 3♣?

 

No, i said at the table that i shd have bid 3♥ instead of cue. Not because i have 2♥ though, but because i needed a better hand for it. This hand doesnt worth with the opener on my left.

 

I strongly disagree that cue can not be made w/o 3 cards support idea.

[MrAce]

3♣ = optimistic. 2NT would be better (shape/strength before stoppers... ALWAYS)

3♠= pointless. Pass would be better.

5♥= wtf???

 

I think the word ALWAYS is a bit too strong here. Everyone in this forum knows when to bid NT w/o stoppers when needs to be, but i doubt any of them would be willing to bid 2 NT w/o stopper when the guy on lead declared that he has an opener hand and a 6 card suit. What u say is actually rarely used rather than "ALWAYS", when which suit they will lead is dubious, and even if they do lead, the number of tricks in that suit is dubious. Thats not the case here though. When u bid 2NT natural, dont be surprised to declare 2 or 3 NT, and dont be surprised to see ♣ being led here (unless the guy decides to lead for his pd, eventhough bidding marks his pd with almost nothing)

 

Ohh, and also, u just wrongsided the NT, because opener has AJT9xx ♣ unfortunately with a side Ace :)

[dake50]

Not 3S, but XX:

I have stuff to talk about.

You interested on a Max/2-suited primes?

If 3S chosen instead of XX to suggest other stuff, must play 4S on 3-4.

East brakes into 4H on his minimum only TOP-x support.

[gnasher]

Ohh, and also, u just wrongsided the NT, because opener has AJT9xx ♣ unfortunately with a side Ace :)

That seems unlikely since East has ♣10.

[mfa1010]

Over 3♣(_X): _P = 10, 3♥ = 9, 3♠ (cue-bid)= 7.

Over 3♠: 4♥ = 10, 4♠ = 2. If 3♣ set ♥ as trumps, then 4♠ should show a control.

3♣ shows heart support. It doesn't set hearts as trumps. We should still be able to get to 4♠ and 3NT. This is much more important than having yet another way to make a slam try. East's hand type is acceptable for 3♣. It is just a tad too weak imo.

 

No, i said at the table that i shd have bid 3♥ instead of cue. Not because i have 2♥ though, but because i needed a better hand for it. This hand doesnt worth with the opener on my left.

 

I strongly disagree that cue can not be made w/o 3 cards support idea.

I agree that the cue can easily be the best bid on only a doubleton, especially when it is Hx. But the actual east hand is a little skimpy.

[mike777]

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TEAM MATCH,IMPS.

 

2♣=Precision, 11-16 ♣s

 

3♣=cue, showing ♥ fit

 

Which bid is MOST unacceptable to you and why ?

 

Thanks :)

 

 

prefer pass with the east hand not 3c.....

 

pard can have less than this and bid 2h.

 

frankly I dont understand the rest of the bidding so 50/50 blame

[655321]

Completely agree with MFA.

 

 

prefer pass with the east hand not 3c.....

 

pard can have less than this and bid 2h.

 

Not sure why there are 2 posts in this thread saying the East hand is too weak to bid. Passing partner's vulnerable 2 level overcall with a decent 10 count including Kx in his suit would be very bad and you would expect to miss a lot of cold games.

[mcphee]

The 3C cue is a little pushy in my view, even 2H is a tad thin, yet understandable as the hand may be shut out if they were to pass over 2C. The 3C hand really faced a problem once partner o/c 2H and passing is (IMHO)just too ridiculous to consider. Some unappealing options for responder, 3D which most consider F is an over statement as it will surely have us reach game and we are not sure we want game. 2S possible but if partner were to raise you are uncomfortable. When the 3C bid was doubled the over caller seems to have lost touch with the rest of earth with this 3S bid. I suppose discussion of what passing the double would mean was unclear, I like to play passing expressed interest and 3H shows no interest at all. The 2H bidder was out to lunch when they opted to try 3S, what ever they were thinking, it requires some "adjustment".