best nt structure

[slyq]

2c multi ( many meanings)

2d weak major

or srong h

2h inv 5h

2s inv 5s

2nt 5-5 with c inv or weak c

3c strong c

3d 5h 5d inv

3h 5h 5s inv

3s 5s 5d inv

[mgoetze]

This is the best... uh... No-Thinking Structure? Or what?

[slyq]

had trouble working out posting so here is the 2c bid ( weak d weak both M strong 5s inv bal weak or inv+ d)

 

responses 2c 2d min

2h max 3h

2s max 3s

2nt min 5h ( optional i play 5h in nt not 5s)

3c maxc 5h xton d

3d max 5h 3 d

 

over 2d pass weak to inv d

2h weak both maj

2s forcing s ( maybe inv 4s partner raises with 4s or bids 2nt)

2nt weak both minors d or strong d + M

3c strong d>c

3d strong d

3h + strong 5h 4s

2h pass weak

2s forcing 4+s

2nt as above weak d or strong d +M

3c weak c and d

3d strong d

3h raise (4h) or bid 3nt

 

2s as for 2h strong s raise is forcing

 

2nt + pretty much self explanatory complicated but prob worth it can tell

you the rest if anyones interested

[slyq]

sorry this post is so half baked not really thinking about it slight errors above

after 1nt 2c

2d 2h weak both majors or inv 4h ton play in 4-3 fit w/out s convert to 2nt over 2s reply

2s incl inv 4s

2nt to play

3c strong d>m

3d strong d

3h strong bal 4h

3nt strong bal no major

as i said if there is any interest i can outline method in full an acurately

[mtvesuvius]

I know I ordered my NT structure medium rare, but this is going a bit too far!

[slyq]

1nt 9-12 bal (not vul) may include 5332 hearts

 

2c see below

 

2d weak hearts or spades strong hearts or strong diamonds single suit or d + major

 

2h inv hearts ( 5+)

 

2s inv spades (5+)

 

2nt weak clubs or 5-5 with clubs inv+ (or other slam 5-5 or 65)

 

3c game force c>d

 

3d 5-5 diamonds and hearts inv

 

3h 5-5 hearts and spades inv

 

3s 5-5 spades and diamonds

 

3nt to play

 

4c texas hearts

 

4d texas spades

 

4h to play

 

4s to play

 

4nt aces! Not quant ( 2c is range probe)

 

2c shows

 

weak diamonds or strong diamonds and clubs

 

Weak both majors

 

Inv + bal

 

Inv 4441 or strong

 

Inv c or c+M

 

Diamonds + major inv

 

Strong spades

 

Strong clubs ss or clubs + a major

 

Continuations after 2c

 

Responses

 

2d = min (not 5h)

 

2h max 3+h h>=S

 

2s max 3+s s>h

 

2nt min 5h

 

3c max 5h d supt

 

3d max 5h c supt

 

After 1nt 2c

 

2d pass weak d or weak d>c or ( d > major inv)

 

2h weak both majors or 4h inv (if part correct 2s then 2nt 3c 3d is to play)

 

2s inv ( + 4s) either bal or gf long spades part raises 3c with min 4s or else 2nt)

 

2nt min to play 4+c ( not 4h or 4s or 5d with 4c p can correct to 3c )

 

3c strong clubs or c> major

 

3d strong d>c

 

3h strong ( bal ) 4h 5s 4c weak h

 

3s strong (bal) 4s 5s 4c weak d

 

3nt strong to play (5s 4c 22)

 

4c splinter agreeing spades

 

1nt 2c 1nt 2c

 

2d 2s 2d

 

2nt 3c (inv c) 3c stong c or c or c + M

 

3d s>d unbal 3d strong d> c un bal

3h bal 4 h 3h 5s 332 or 5s an 4h (3s = heart supt 3nt = no supt 4c+=s supt)

3s s>c d shtg 3s s>c h shtg

 

3nt 5422 d 3nt 5422 c

 

 

 

 

2h pass weak both majors

 

2s inv + 4s either bal or gf various ( simple alt with long spades)

 

2nt weak d>c or weak d ( other possibilities 4441)

 

3c strong clubs or c> major

 

3d strong d>c

 

3h both M strong ( bal ) 4h

 

3s both M strong (bal) 4s

 

3nt strong to play

 

4c splinter agreeing spades

 

 

2s pass weak both majors

 

2nt weak d>c or weak d (or 4441)

 

3c strong clubs or c> major

 

3d strong d>c

 

3h 5 spades slam interest

 

3s 4s raise or correct

 

3nt to play

 

4c splinter agreeing spades

 

2nt pass to play (inv c hands have to decide weather to pass or 3h or 3c)

 

3c weak c

 

3d weak d

 

3h weak h or majors

 

3s gf 3nt = xton s

 

3nt to play

 

4c splinter

 

3c 3d to play

 

3h to play

 

3s game force s

 

3nt to play

 

4c splinter agreeing spades

 

3d pass to play

 

3h to play

 

3s game force s

 

3nt to play

 

4c splinter agreeing spades

 

After 1nt 2d

 

2h not 5h

 

2s 5332 h

 

Over 2h pass weak h

 

2s weak spades

 

2nt gf d or d>M

 

3c gf h>c gf ds

 

3d gf h>d gfd

 

3 h gf h gf dh

 

3s gf h>s

 

3nt 5332 h (5h 4m22)

 

4c splinter agreeing h

 

Over 2s as above except 3h to play

 

Problem hands 6c + 4 major inv

 

After 1nt 2c

 

2d 2s

 

2nt 3c inv c?s

 

3d s>d with shtg

 

3h s > h or 44

 

3s 5s

 

3nt( 4s) to play

 

1nt 2c

 

2d

 

After 1nt 2d 2h

 

3c ? h c inv

 

(treat as forcing)

 

 

5 spades + 4h weak (rebid 2h over 2d)

 

 

 

[Free]

A decent layout can make so much more people read your posts...

[Gerben42]

Agree, I gave up at "see below".

[awm]

It seems like the approach is as follows.

 

Directly over a 1NT opening:

--> To sign off below game bid 2♦; partner bids 2♥ and then you can sign off in any suit (with a few higher bids available for certain types of GF hands)

--> If you are weak with both majors, or have an invitational hand without a 5-card major, or want to force game but can't set the suit right off, then bid 2♣

--> Most other responses below 3NT show game invitational hands (2M natural 5+ invite, 3-level mostly 5/5 invites of some type)

--> 4M is to play and 4m is south african transfer

 

The main discussion of follow-up bidding is after 2♣ where:

--> Minimum opener normally bids 2♦, which presumably declines any invite

........... this can be passed with an invitational hand including diamond length

........... 2♥ rebid is not forcing; with less than 3♥ opener bids 2♠ which can be passed (both majors weak or inv) or corrected to 2NT (invite hearts only)

........... 2NT is to play, denying 5♦ or a 4M

........... 2♠ is a four-card suit and forcing one round (could be invite, could be GF)

........... others generally game-going hands

--> Maximum opener normally bids longer major, shows 3+ in major bid

........... this can be passed with a weak hand including both majors

........... other continuations forcing (invite has been accepted)

 

There's some other stuff about showing a 5-card heart suit directly over 1N-2♣ and further definition on some follow-up sequences.

 

My observation would be that this approach has some nice properties for invitational hands. For example it lets you out in two of a suit as often as possible on a declined invitation. However, even playing a very weak notrump range (this is designed for 9-12 apparently) I think the minimum GF hands are probably more important than the invitational hands. There isn't a clear way for responder to show game forcing 4441 patterns (for example) or to show all game-forcing two-suiters. You also have the main disadvantage of transfers (you have to bid 2♦ with a signoff rather than just bidding your suit, which reduces pressure on opponents) without the advantages (creates a lot more sequences for you).

[slyq]

hi awm thanks for the precis i know the outline is very scrappy an i had trouble with the original post not really interested in "selling" this structure though

just posted it because i was working out the new forum posts you have the basic gist of it though

a couple of things weak d hands go through 2c an either pass 2d weak or rebid 2nt over 2 M or 3d/ pas over 2nt - 3d

not sure with regard to marginal invitational hands strucure is almost always superior to simple transfers and alows you to show both gf minor hands

very well c>dand d>c at a low level which are often problem hands for most systems

gf 5-5 or 6-5 hands can go through 2nt and rebiding 3nt an up to show the specific hand types

 

the 4441 structure i am still tossing about a bit but there are many opperyunities to show specific 4441 structures

 

 

general min + bal hand try would normally be

 

1nt 2c

2d 2s

2nt ( denies 4s)

or (3c shows 4s) then 3h is bal with 4h jumps to 3nt sighn off when major suit situation resolved

 

 

 

 

not sure about what you said about be able to bid a direct 2h with a weak hand but interested in any structure that could cope well with it

[shevek]

Gladiatorish, has merit.

 

Problem hands with standard methods include responder's unbalanced invite with a 5cM.

We sometimes end up transferring then 2NT, passed out for -50 when RHO meanly leads our singleton.