jillybean Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 MP[hv=pc=n&s=s8hqjt63da976532c&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 2♥ if playing Muiderberg. 2♦ if playing Wilkosz. 3♦ otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Pass, I am sure we can get in later and have better information. Sorry but opening 3D requires a sanity check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I won't pass. I will open some number of diamonds. Sorry for being so vague jillybean but I would have to be at the table to decide how many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I'd open 2D multi, and tell partner I forgot the system afterwards :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Sorry, multi 2♦ is not avilable. This is a BBO tournament that bans Multi, Muiderberg, Wilkosz, Polish club and psyches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Sorry, multi 2♦ is not avilable. This is a BBO tournament that bans Multi, Muiderberg, Wilkosz, Polish club and psyches. Jilly, this is the Beginner and Intermediate Bridge Discussion forum here! We only want to talk about Bridge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I think I'd pass... I'm ready to apologize to partner if he passed with AKQJTxxxxx x x x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 2NT could work, if partner transfers to Spades I pass :) The hand would have been more perfect if I had Clubs and Hearts but you can't have it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antraxxx Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Pass, I am sure we can get in later and have better information. Sorry but opening 3D requires a sanity check.I'm sorry, could you explain why? There's clearly some principle at work here I'm not getting. High card point-wise, our pair has less than the other pair. So while we have a wacky shape, there's no reason to assume we have a chance at anything positive. On the other hand, the opponents most likely have a fit, so it's probably best to force them to do so at a high level. So, my naive reasoning says to open 3D, which describes this hand (I was taught you can relax a bit about pre-empts in the third seat, and this qualifies: right amount of HCP, right suit length, wrong suit quality).Is the idea behind passing to hide the hand distributions from whoever would eventually become declarer? I realise the reasoning above is obvious to most everyone here and was apparently rejected, but I really don't see what makes this hand so special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I'd open 3♦. I just can't bring myself to pass and give LHO a free shot and, in all probability, rho an opportunity to describe/limit his hand. Plus if I pass, I have no really safe way back into the auction. Any two-suited takeout I make will force to the 3 level anyway, and the opps will have a relatively easy task in the auction...compared to my starting my preemption now. This approach could obviously fail, especially if we belong in hearts and can't get there now. But mps is a game of frequency of gain/loss not size of gain/loss. We will, by opening 3♦ occasionally lose very big, often break even (the opps own the hand and nothing we do will slow them down or derail them) and, imo frequently result in small to large gains. In addition, bidding here makes you a difficult opponent to play against, compared to those who pass. I cannot over-emphasize how important it is, from this perspective, that you are in 3rd seat....in 1st or 2nd, lacking a 2-suited opening, I would always pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Weird hand. Usually I would open 4D with this shape/HCP but my diamonds are so bad/defense is good enough that they might not make anything/etc that it would be pretty crazy to do that on this hand imo. The only other option is 3D. It seems wimpy. If partner raises me and they bid 4S I will bid 5D (not generally a good thing to do!). Most likely partner won't raise me and we might miss a good save here or there, but as I said I'm not willing to open 4D with A seventh vul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 2♥ for me. I'd like a heart lead in most cases unless partner has a stiff diamond or the ♣AK. I get a little preemption and get to limit my hand. My 2nd choice is 3♥, but thats reckless r/r. I hate diamond preempts more with the Ace and the shabby suit. R/R I don't want to give up 100 a trick. Furthermore if partner leads a diamond, I'd like to have some idea if its a stiff or not, and I don't have the read if I preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I want to open 1♥, I hate burrying this nice ♥ suit. The hand was not from a "no multi, polish club, muiderberg, wilkosz, no psyhce" tournament but given to me by a friend. He now tells me he held this in 1st seat, and opened 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I want to open 1♥, I hate burrying this nice ♥ suit. The hand was not from a "no multi, polish club, muiderberg, wilkosz, no psyhce" tournament but given to me by a friend. He now tells me he held this in 1st seat, and opened 1♥ Now don't be dissing Inquiry :P 26 ZARS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Now don't be dissing Inquiry :P 26 ZARS! LOL No, this is a hand from Vancouver, not Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Pass. With 6-5 in the red I am willig to discuss 1H as some kind of lead director,not my style, but I can understand it. But I have 7-5, I will pass and generate action in the next round, maybe I get a warning about bad breaks - than I am happy to have passed, otherwise I wontlet them play on the 4 level. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Agree with 3♦. Partner's diamond holding will be key to determining how high we should bid and this gives him a chance to raise and also warns him off attempting to bid his own suit. Plus the preemptive value. Of course it could turn out very badly if partner is 5-5 in the majors or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 A 7-count with 7-5 distribution, short spades and in third seat, I think pass is terrible. Anything could work including several psyches, but I think I would bid my longest suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=s8hqjt63da976532c&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp]133|200|MP[/hv] Assuming SAYC or 2/1, IMO 2♦ (Bid NT/reverse later) = 10, 2♥ = 9, _P (Show 2 suits later) = 7, 3♦ = 6, 1♦ = 5, 1♥ = 4, psych = 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 If you are planning on making a second bid anyway then Muiderberg would be a decent option I think. 2H and then jump to 5D next if the opponents bid spades? Generally I dislike opening Muiderberg with a longer minor though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewleongusa Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 MP[hv=pc=n&s=s8hqjt63da976532c&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp]133|200[/hv] I would open 4D. Forget about a heart fit. If our side has a good heart fit the opponents can make a game themselves.On the other hand, by opening 4D it is more likely LHO is going to make a mistake and maybe a big mistake. Eric Leong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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