Assess the Blame

[awm]

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North/South play 2/1 with the usual extras.

[jukmoi]

Not much blame here. However I think that South is worth a false preference to 2♥ after wich partnership will end up in 3NT or 4♥.

[Siegmund]

Two conservative views, but neither one is that odd (and the game with the best chance, 4H, is not likely to be the final contract if either one bids more.)

[skjaeran]

North made an obvious rebid IMO.

South took a very conservative view, I'd prefer a false preference to 2♥ with such a strong hand. Passing might of course be the winning decision.

[gwnn]

Finally a hand where a false preference makes sense!

 

But of course pass makes sense too.

 

North might want to just bid 3H (and South has a run of the mill raise of course) but I am a lifelong supporter of the right to show minor suits, so I will not say he should have.

[gwnn]

(and the game with the best chance, 4H, is not likely to be the final contract if either one bids more.)

 

This is rather startling, what exact auction do you have in mind? Slam is impossible after opener makes a simple rebid and responder makes a simple preference. I have never seen anybody try for slam personally after this auction, and await anyone to show an example (real life example of a well-considered slam try).

[flytoox]

I would not blame any. However, I do think North should consider 3H. Strong playing strength, and ok suit quality.

[Fluffy]

bidding 2♥ with south's hand wouldn't ever cross my mind. North can pick 3♥ instead of 2♦ but I don't think he should.

[mike777]

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North/South play 2/1 with the usual extras.

 

 

65% south for not rebidding 2h which north can rebid 4h now.

35% rub of the green.

[Phil]

Heh, I see you shared our +130. As I remember, ♥AJ tight was on. No blame at your table. For every game you miss by passing, I think you get overboard at least 2-3 times.

 

The East hand held ♠KQJT - not surprising it was not a universal overcall.

 

No mentions about Gazzilli yet?

[Free]

No mentions about Gazzilli yet?

Hehe, I was about to say "blame both for not playing Gazzilli" :P

[awm]

Heh, I see you shared our +130. As I remember, ♥AJ tight was on. No blame at your table. For every game you miss by passing, I think you get overboard at least 2-3 times.

 

The East hand held ♠KQJT - not surprising it was not a universal overcall.

 

No mentions about Gazzilli yet?

Well, I didn't actually play this hand (or play in the Saturday STAC at all), but a friend asked me about it.

 

Obviously playing Gazzilli solves all problems. :)

 

I think I would've rebid 3♥ with the north hand playing regular 2/1 though -- while this shows "fewer cards" than the 2♦ rebid, it's also a much tighter and more accurate description of strength. What happened at the table (missing a game) seems a lot more likely than finding a superior diamond contract by rebidding 2♦, especially given the nature of the heart holding. I'm fascinated by the number of people who are willing to false preference, at matchpoints, into what's usually a 5-1 fit. Burn's law seems not to carry the same weight that it used to.

[wank]

i think 2♥ over 2♦ is ridiculous[ly successful on this deal]

[Siegmund]

Me: "(and the game with the best chance, 4H, is not likely to be the final contract if either one bids more.)" gwnn: "This is rather startling, what exact auction do you have in mind?"

 

I had in mind a whole bunch of them -- 1H-1S-3H-3N, or 1H-1S-2D-2N-3H(if you have an agreement that H-D-H promises extras vs H-H immediately)-3N, or a crazy 1H-1S-3D that might lead to way too many diamonds -- but anything starting 1H-1S-2D-2H was sure not on the list. I really did not expect to see that 2H rebid get even one vote in the thread let alone a majority. (And I don't think it would get nearly as many votes, if we were looking only at the south hand. I must remember to test that theory out in a month or so...) The only path to 4H that I could imagine was something like 1H-1S-2D-2N-4H.

[kayin801]

On a scale from 1 to insane how crazy is a 2♠ rebid by responder? Cause I hate pass, 2♦, 3♦, 2♥, and 2NT. I hate 2♠ too but I think it should enter the equation.

[manudude03]

South should bid either 2NT or 3♦. I slightly prefer 3♦. I don't like watching partner suffer in 5-1 fits, sorry :).

[mgoetze]

On a scale from 1 to insane how crazy is a 2♠ rebid by responder? Cause I hate pass, 2♦, 3♦, 2♥, and 2NT. I hate 2♠ too but I think it should enter the equation.

 

Way crazier than 2NT.

[HeartA]

South should bid either 2NT or 3♦. I slightly prefer 3♦. I don't like watching partner suffer in 5-1 fits, sorry :).

I second. I don't like false preference either.