Fluffy Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 [hv=pc=n&w=saj62ht842dc98732&e=skqt3hq63dk72caj5&d=n&v=EW&b=1&a=2ddr3dp3n4dppdppp]266|200[/hv] 4♦ made 10 tricks when someone opened a rounded suit and ♦A was in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 It'd be nice to have more agreement about 3♦ (I usually just give up on asking doubler for a stopper, which means east should bid 3♠), but I think the biggest error was west sitting for 4♦X (given that he started with 3♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 [hv=pc=n&w=saj62ht842dc98732&e=skqt3hq63dk72caj5&d=n&v=EW&b=1&a=2ddr3dp3n4dppdppp]266|200[/hv] Can't fix it, but EW are actually vulnerable. 4♦ made 10 tricks when someone opened a rounded suit and ♦A was in dummy.Edit the post and Change v=0 to v=EW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l milne Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Wow, I don't think West is at fault for passing the double of 4♦, partner should have denied a fit and shown a good hand with diamond cards! I think East should bid 3♠. Either that, or have some more discussion about cuebids in double auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 4♦ made 10 tricks when someone opened a rounded suit and ♦A was in dummy. someone, that would be East? Can't see any case for a heart or a club lead, would a pointed suit lead have beaten the contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Edit the post and Change v=0 to v=EWThank you, I tried switching the 0 to some other numbers but didn't seem to do anything :). Now fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 West's 3♦ was an overbid - if it's opposite a normal takeout double with short diamonds, there are an awful lot of gappy suits to worry about. Anyway, with that shape it's very likely that you're opposite a balanced hand that was too strong for 2NT, so it's best to start quietly. However, the problems started before that. East had a 2NT overcall, or possibly a pass. By doubling, East created a problem for himself on the next round, because although he'd claimed to be suitable for playing in any of three suits, he wasn't, in fact, suitable for playing in any of them. So East bid 3NT, and West thought he was opposite a balanced 19-count. After that, EW were in a forcing pass situation, so a disaster of one sort or another was inevitable. I blame East, because it was his ill-considered double that caused the problem. If he'd overcalled 2NT, it would probably have gone 2♦ 2NT 3♦ dblpass 3♠ 4♦ passpass pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 60% West and 40% East. I agree with everything gnasher said about East's first double, instead of 2NT or pass. I also prefer 3♠ at East's second turn instead of 3NT. But I still feel that West really contributed a lot to the problem by bidding 3♦ instead of 2♠ and then passing partner's double of 4♦. East's misdescription of his hand is small compared to West's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l milne Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I dislike 3♦ more than I dislike (the first) double. In fact, I might even double at the table. I think East has too much to pass and possibly miss a game, although I would certainly understand pass opposite a passed hand. But even though 2NT is a nice descriptive bid, it prevents us from playing at the 2-level in a suit. It also partner from making the (obviously very rare) penalty pass. Also, if partner isn't jumping/cueing opposite a double, we probably aren't missing game. So, for me, double as East is fine, 3♦ is the crazy bid. East should just bid 3♠ over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 3D is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Can't see any case for a heart or a club lead, would a pointed suit lead have beaten the contract? The hand was more or less as follows (ignore duplicated pips) [hv=pc=n&s=s842ha72daj63ckt3&n=s63hkj9dqt9542cq2]133|200[/hv] touching clubs or hearts solves troubles for declarer but passive defence gives him a losing chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I wonder what 3♦ means. If it shows a strong hand, as it would for me, then west is not close to having it. East's bidding can be questioned but he didn't do anything silly, it seems (all depending on the meaning of 3♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Yup, agree with mfa and it seems obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Take out dbl = liveable, but it's preferable to show what you have, i.e. bid 2NT3♦ = somewhat optimistic, but the double makes it attractive3NT = what's wrong with 4♠? (Not that it makes lol.)Dbl to 4♦ = why dbl when there are prospects for a vulnerable game? I don't get it. All in all I would say the initial take out dbl is the bid that caused the most damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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