9 cards in bidder's suits

[kayin801]

[hv=pc=n&s=sk942hkq962dkc952&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=pp1s2h]133|200|Matchpoints[/hv]

 

1) Initial pass, yay or nay?

2) What's your call?

3) Do you consider any other calls close?

 

EDIT: Title should read bidders', typo

[nigel_k]

1) Agree with initial pass

2) Would now bid 3♥ showing a good spade raise

3) I suppose you could splinter if you play them after interference. But it's quite a bad hand and the stiff king isn't ideal.

[mtvesuvius]

1) I would have opened.

2) I would bid 3♥ as well (unless 2N shows this hand for you)

3) Nope.

[mgoetze]

1. Pass playing standard. 1♥ playing precision or polish.

2. 2NT = limit raise+ with 4-card support.

3. No.

[Hanoi5]

1) Yes, I pass on my first round

2) I reluctantly bid 3♥.

3) Pass and 3NT are options in my opinion. I think I would bid 3NT at the table, though I usually regret that kind of bids.

[kenberg]

Pass first round, not a close decision imo

3H over 2H, not happy but I don't consider other options realistic.

[655321]

Yes open. I wouldn't say that passing is wrong, but I do think pass is approaching the the border between an acceptable if conservative action, and a wrong action.

 

Now, 2NT or however you show a 4 card raise.

[mr1303]

I would open 2D, showing an minimum opening with 4-5 in the majors.

 

Now I show a limit+ raise in spades, however it is I do that.

[Siegmund]

For me it's an opening bid if I am playing a majors-first style, but a pass if my partner is the type who responds 2C instead of 1S on a strong 4-2-3-4 hand.

Now I do whatever forces to game in spades in our system - probably start with a cuebid.

I also consider pass (and the less confident you are that your side has a game, the more you should consider pass.)

[skjaeran]

1. I'd open 1♥

2. 2NT now, inv+ with 4-card support

3. I'd not consider any other call.

[Free]

I would open 2D, showing an minimum opening with 4-5 in the majors.

Kill him for almost using the F-word! :P

 

1. pass first seat is ok, I only open when I agree to open light (like precision)

2. I'd bid 2NT as limit with 4+♠ support. If we're lacking this, I guess 3♥ is the only alternative.

3. Show your INV with fit. If you can distinguish between 4 or 3 cards, great.

[Fluffy]

I don't know if my hand is worth single raise, invitational or game raise.

 

With 3 spades I would try to pass, but 4 card support is too much, but I will encourage some extra bidding with just 2♠

[lexlogan]

I don't know if my hand is worth single raise, invitational or game raise.

 

With 3 spades I would try to pass, but 4 card support is too much, but I will encourage some extra bidding with just 2♠

 

Seems overly cautious. You have a 7 loser hand; the stiff King of diamonds rates to have some value (partner must have some values outside hearts) which compensates for not having an Ace. Partner opened in 3rd seat; his five card "support" for my spades will cover most of my heart losers. If he provides 3 or 4 high card tricks I expect to make 3 or 4 spades -- oh, partner is playing it? I trust he knows how to play a dummy reversal, or perhaps he can just ruff diamonds. The KQ of hearts looks great -- two pitches, or more likely, one trick and no heart loser. Partner isn't likely to be void (overcaller's partner did not raise). If they get Ace of hearts and a ruff, partner likely is short in clubs.

[lexlogan]

Pass initially (no Ace, stiff King), 2NT (=4 card raise) or 3♥ now according to style.

[mikestar13]

Agree with pass, though it's close: put ♦K in clubs and it's a clearcut opening.

 

Having passed, this is a limit raise (presumably 3♥), but this hand is closer to 2♠ than 4♠.

 

No alternatives come to mind.

[kenberg]

I agree with this. If the minors were Kxx and x, I would open. When I said earlier that I would pass the given hand and did not consider it close, I meant that I had no second thoughts, no should I or shouldn't I, I just pass. It was mentioned that if playing a certain unmentionable convention then 2D is right. I play this convention with one partner but I would still pass.

[Phil]

Flannery gets such a bad rap around here lol.

[Free]

Flannery

Oooh that's a bridge too far :P

[Fluffy]

Seems overly cautious. You have a 7 loser hand; the stiff King of diamonds rates to have some value (partner must have some values outside hearts) which compensates for not having an Ace. Partner opened in 3rd seat; his five card "support" for my spades will cover most of my heart losers. If he provides 3 or 4 high card tricks I expect to make 3 or 4 spades -- oh, partner is playing it? I trust he knows how to play a dummy reversal, or perhaps he can just ruff diamonds. The KQ of hearts looks great -- two pitches, or more likely, one trick and no heart loser. Partner isn't likely to be void (overcaller's partner did not raise). If they get Ace of hearts and a ruff, partner likely is short in clubs.

Not only cautious, but more like encouraging opponents to make a mistake.

 

LHO didn't raise hearts because he couldn't do it yet, with the hand I have in mind for RHO partner will often have a void and our hand is pretty bad then, with the hand you have in mind for RHO you can surelly get +800 in 2♥ so dunno why you give yourself a chance of just 140.

 

I won't be surprised if 3♥ lands us in a cold game, nor do I claim 2♠ to be obvious, but I am willing to try today.

[Coelacanth]

Yes to an initial pass, although this is the hand that Flannery was invented for if you are playing it.

 

I need to know a little about my partner's style of 3rd-seat opener. If partner is me, for example, this hand is a game force. I start with 3♥ and look for a slam unless partner signs off in ♠. If partner is prone to some crazy 3rd-seat specials then 2♠ may be too high. But I think I'd still bid 3♥.

[fromageGB]

1) Seeing as you asked, I too would open 2♦(no flannel) showing a 4+4+ 6-11 in the majors. But if you don't have a similar bid then I think pass, or 2♥ if you can.

 

2) I love this hand. Whatever you bid to show invitational or better with 4 spades. For me that's 3♥ transfer to 3♠, and I raise to 4♠. Partner will have a full strength open, as we have 2 bids for weaker hands, and a 2♠ open can be 5 cards. With my hearts both length and strength behind the overcaller 4♠ must have good chances, especially as overcaller is on lead.

 

3) Passing 3♠ is close.

[whereagles]

lets just stop talking of the F-convention, ok?

 

Now pass 2♥ and see what happens lol.

[losercover]

We play 3S as constructive (less than a limit raise).

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=sk942hkq962dkc952&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=pp1s2h]133|200|Matchpoints

1) Initial pass, yay or nay?

2) What's your call?

3) Do you consider any other calls close?

[/hv]

IMO

1. Initially, 1♥ = 10, _P = 8.
2. Now, 2N (good raise) = 10, 4♦ (splinter) = 9, 3♥ (general force) = 8, 4♠ = 7, _P = 5, 3♠ = 4, 2♠ = 3, 3N (natural) = 2. For a passed hand, you are maximum. You should try to let partner know.

[han]

3H stopper ask Nige?