jillybean Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 [hv=pc=n&e=st4hkq986da7cakq9&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1hp1n2s]133|200[/hv] MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 Double -- The least of evils, 3♣ is an underbid, and anything else is simply not an option IMO. Tougher problem after 3♦ by partner, but I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Don't really understand mtvesuvius' post here. If this hand is a game force, you can't double and then pass 3♦. Besides not being game, this will often be a 5-2 fit (maybe even a 4-2 fit). Certainly you could double and then bid 3♠, or bid 3♠ directly. If this hand is not a game force, then 3♣ is a spot-on description, showing extras but NF. My preference is the 3♣ call; 3NT will not make opposite a pretty good partner hand like ♠Kxx ♥Jx ♦KQxx ♣xxxx. You might make 5♣ (or even 4♥), but good luck getting there if you start with double or 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Double, not evil at all. Will force to game. Good/Bad by partner would be useful. I would bid 3C on hands that are much weaker, and typically more shapely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Double is the bid, 3♣ can be bid on 11 counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 [hv=pc=n&e=st4hkq986da7cakq9&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1hp1n2s]133|200[/hv] MP looked at the auction funny (I saw 1♥ (1NT) 2♠ (P). So for the real auction I could live with either X or 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Han, 2N is scrambling here I'd think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Double for me. 3♣ is just competitive and weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 3♣ for me: happy its mps where missing the game is only a board. I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣. If partner bids 3♦ over my 3♣, I will know he has 6+ and I will try a gentle probe with 3♠. Note that if he bids 3♥ over 3♣, this should be weak...a limit raise should bid 4♥. This is not a gf. I don't actually think it was ever a gf...I was going to bid 2N had rho passed, not 3♣. So I won't let their bidding, which devalues my hand, make me upgrade it, and I can't bid 2N anymore. This would be a lot tougher at imps, especially red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 3♣ for me: happy its mps where missing the game is only a board. I don't like any of my choices, but double simply begs for 3♦ over which the only thing I can be sure of is that we're worse off than had I bid 3♣. I don't get this comment, I wouldn't know I was worse off until I saw the full hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 I don't get this comment, I wouldn't know I was worse off until I saw the full hand.sorry...too many literalists here, I guess. Too bad there isn't a smiley to indicate intentional use of hyperbole....I would have used it. I had hoped that it was obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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