MrAce Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=sak9htdat75caq763&n=st74hakq84d98ck95&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p1cp1hp2dp2sp3sp4cp4dp4hp6cppp]266|200[/hv] I went down in this 6♣, still not sure if what crossed my mind makes sense or not. Would love to hear how would you roll in that slam. West (Marshall Miles) led ♣T. How do you play the hand ? Would it change your line if you decided that ♣ are 3-2 ? (Actual deal ♣ 3-2) HINT: Expect double dummy defense, since the bidding was too descriptive in terms of declarer's shape. (They both know i am short in ♥) About bidding and alerts: 2♠ promises game or more, 4♣ sets the trump slamish, 4♦cue, 4♥ promises good hearts starting with Ace but denies a solid suit, denies to give 5-6 cashing ♥ in NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Choice between setting hearts and ruffing a diamonds- diamonds offers slightly better chances. Cash K♣, Run the 9♦, if they cover then A♦ and another low diamond otherwise let it run. If its runs, then on probable club return then ruff a club if a heart obvious cash them to ditch a spade and diamond. ruff a diamond if need be. Later enter with a high spade and cash the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'd try the same as cloa513, although I could try winning the first trick in my hand before ♦A and another ♦. If I'm playing for diamonds 4-3 and hearts 4-3 wouldn't it be the same to ruff a heart and set up the eight? They haven't played a heart back yet anyway and they might blindly continue the trump defense. Edit: Just saw the hand and the way to make it doesn't seem very...intuitive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen. ♣ were 3-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Imo there's a very small extra chance if you play ♣AQ and develop your ♥. We need trumps 3-2 when playing on ♦, plus ♠ shouldn't be 6-1 (communication issues). If trumps happen to be 4-1 then you'll need ♥J9x to drop, and we still might finesse ♠QJ onside if that didn't happen.Question is asked assuming you decided for 3-2 ♣ break, and it was 3-2.I know... What happens when you play ♦Ax and they play a ♠? You have to guess immediately, RHO may overruff your ♦ much more frequently than LHO will ever overruff a ♥, and ♠ could be 6-1 in which case you'll be locked in dummy after ruffing your ♦. When playing ♣AQ you can even handle a 4-1 split in some cases. If they're 3-2 like you said in the OP, you can just go after ♥ with pretty high rate of success, having your ♣K as an entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 I know... What happens when you play ♦Ax and they play a ♠? You have to guess immediately, RHO may overruff your ♦ much more frequently than LHO will ever overruff a ♥, and ♠ could be 6-1 in which case you'll be locked in dummy after ruffing your ♦. When playing ♣AQ you can even handle a 4-1 split in some cases. If they're 3-2 like you said in the OP, you can just go after ♥ with pretty high rate of success, having your ♣K as an entry. I don't really care about them playing ♠ immediately. What if they play ♥ immediately ? :) Thats why i cashed AQ ♣, and if it is 4-1 (obviously 4 RHO) my only chance would be to find someone with ♥ J92 and if not go for double ♠ finesse. Lets assume i played and ducked a ♦ at trick 2 and they played a ♥ (which i think they will) i am totally screwed, i can ruff 1♦ but i can't cash 2 more ♥ unless they are 4-3. So i agree with your line for totally different reason. There are 2 options A) play on ♦s, as i showed requires 4-3 ♦ and 4-3 ♥ if they play ♥. B) Cash AQ ♣ and play on ♥ if 3-2 ♣, if 4-1 try to drop J9x ♥ and if not play on double ♠ finesse. My partner disagreed with me, saying, it wasn't obvious for defense to find ♥ switch...To me ♥ switch is auto for defense unless they totally ignored my bidding...so i dunno, i just wanna know what people think. So far you are the only one that played and thought almost identical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=sak9htdat75caq763&n=st74hakq84d98ck95&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p1cp1hp2dp2sp3sp4cp4dp4hp6cppp]266|200|I went down in this 6♣, still not sure if what crossed my mind makes sense or not. Would love to hear how would you roll in that slam.West (Marshall Miles) led ♣T. How do you play the hand ? Would it change your line if you decided that ♣ are 3-2 ? (Actual deal ♣ 3-2) HINT: Expect double dummy defense, since the bidding was too descriptive in terms of declarer's shape. (They both know i am short in ♥)About bidding and alerts: 2♠ promises game or more, 4♣ sets the trump slamish, 4♦cue, 4♥ promises good hearts starting with Ace but denies a solid suit, denies to give 5-6 cashing ♥ in NT.[/hv] IMO ♣AQ. Run ♥T. Hoping to make 2x♠, 4x♥, 1x♦, 5x♣. Relying on favourable ♣ and ♥ breaks or ♥9 dropping or doubleton ♠QJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 IMO ♣AQ. Run ♥T. Hoping to make 2x♠, 4x♥, 1x♦, 5x♣. Relying on favourable ♣ and ♥ breaks or ♥9 dropping or doubleton ♠QJ. You hit the jackpot ! Thats where i went wrong, instead of running ♥T i made a silly play of going to ♥A and ruff a small♥ :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Playing in diamonds is ridicoulous, opponents will play hearts for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l milne Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Yeah agree that defenders will play hearts (I've read Marshall's books on defense). My instinct was heart and a ruff, but running the Ten is better. Good line nige1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Can anyone explain why running the T is so much better than ruffing a ♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 catters for ♥9x on RHO's hands wich happened to be the case, also for ♥9x in LHO's hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Playing in diamonds is ridicoulous, opponents will play hearts for sure. They probably won't play hearts if the hearts are 4-3 but RHO is overuffing diamonds. The time that they have to play hearts is when hearts are 5-2 and the hand with two hearts has three trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 catters for ♥9x on RHO's hands which happened to be the case, also for ♥9x in LHO's hands Lucky! Also the unlikely ...♥9 singleton with RHO.♥9 singleton and doubleton ♣ with LHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 They probably won't play hearts if the hearts are 4-3 but RHO is overuffing diamonds. The time that they have to play hearts is when hearts are 5-2 and the hand with two hearts has three trumps. But also playing on ♦ gives up when 4-1 ♣ with J9x ♥ falling and/or double ♠ finesse working. @ Free : Yes, running the T is % play in ♥ suit, which i failed to see at the table, it took me some time to decide playing on ♥ due to reasons you explained, to be honest i didn't see the running ♥T play for some reason. I made a mistake and paid for it, ♥ were 9x on my left and Jxxxx on my right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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