ATB - orlando

[inquiry]

[hv=pc=n&w=sak8543hk6d764c72&e=sjhaqt954d5caq986&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1hp1sp2hp4hp4np5hp6hppp]266|200|Matchpoints. both vul, dlr east. Second board of next to last round.

 

Jillybean already hinted at in the four sessions we played, we had three session tops. This hand pretty much assured we wouldn't get a fourth. i will not say yet which hand at the table jilly held and i held, but figure out what went wrong on this auction and assess the blame, if any.

 

Also Jilly hinted in that earlier thread that maybe she didn't play well. To the contrary, she more than upheld her half of the partnership. No doubt, reading and posting here is improving her game. [/hv]

[mikestar13]

The correct way to do it depends on your system, but East must bid ♣ at some point. Otherwise West can't know that ♠K is worthless while ♣K is golden.

[l milne]

100% East, for mis-describing their hand on the second round of the auction (with 2♣ instead of 2♥) and subsequently slam-forcing opposite 2 keys when partner has a limited hand.

 

I completely agree with West's 4♥ bid. Slightly depends on style I guess, but I think it is standard to play that East is pretty much barred from bidding after 4♥, as West would bid something else with a slam try. Yes, you will miss some nice slams (give West the same hand and East the doubleton QJ of spades and some other stuff, for example) but you can't bid em all, and this will prevent the partnership from taking frivolous adventures to the 5-level one off.

[mike777]

really tough hand....not easy

 

 

east should rebid with 2c...now west has a really hard rebid....

 

a very very difficult hand.

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for sake of discussion lets say w rebids 2h

west has easy rebid of 3c

we get to 4h.

 

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on the op I rebid 3h not 4h......3h shows a good hand for me 2h shows a really minimum hand for me.

 

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I think the most important lesson of this hand is 1h and 2h is weaker than 1h then 2c.

[the hog]

I would certainly bid 2C. I also think the jump to 4H is a little aggressive, but not unreasonable. (I suspect you held the S hand, Ben?) Moving after 4H is poor with the given hand.

[kfay]

Is this IMPs or something? The jump to 4♥ doesn't make much sense to me otherwise.

 

Anyway, I'd rebid 2♣ with the East hand and boost a correction to 3♥. If partner rebid 2♠, I guess I'd let it lay there.

 

All is OK until East bids 4NT, however, which makes the least sense to me. Partner described limit-raise values, nothing more. You might miss slam if West has meshing club cards and a few keys... A K A... that's really really really unlikely.

[wank]

i understand east's uneasiness to pass 4♥ - slam can easily be cold, but that's what happens when both players misdescribe their hands earlier in the auction.

 

i like rebidding 2♥ with weak 6-4s, but supressing AQxxx is going way too far.

 

and jumping to 4♥ is just gross overbidding.

[flytoox]

100% to East.

 

2H is wrong, too much to hide the club suit. 4N is wrong, if you think this is a min hand and hence rebid only 2H, then you shld be consistent and pass pd's 4H.

 

After East's 2C, west has two choice, one is 2D, one is 3S. I will never choose 2H. I will temprize with 2D, even if this is GF.

[Rossoneri]

E should rebid clubs instead of 2♥. I have no problems with 4♥ by W.

[mgoetze]

Agree with 100% to East. When you have made a minimum, non-forcing rebid of 2♥, you have given partner the authority to place the final contract, and you are not allowed to override that decision.

 

And, as others have said, 2♥ was the wrong rebid...

[georgeac]

4nt seems crazy to me.

[nige1]

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Jillybean already hinted at in the four sessions we played, we had three session tops. This hand pretty much assured we wouldn't get a fourth. i will not say yet which hand at the table jilly held and i held, but figure out what went wrong on this auction and assess the blame, if any.

Also Jilly hinted in that earlier thread that maybe she didn't play well. To the contrary, she more than upheld her half of the partnership. No doubt, reading and posting here is improving her game. [/hv]

Agree with everybody

1. 2♥ is an underbid and misdescriptive. Prefer 2♣.
2. 4♥ is a bit optimistic but a reasonable shot.
3. 4N is inconsistent.
4. 6♥ has chances but presumably it failed :(

[mcphee]

Well poor E will not be able to dodge this one sadly. After opening 1H this player simply lost the way.

 

I do not agree with 2C showing a better hand than 2H rebid. It shows H and C less than j/s values, surprise! exactly what they have. $N was a real blast especially at pairs. It is pleasing to see the player was likely not rewarded with 12 tricks, a good lesson for them.

[whereagles]

After 4♥ opener, who fixed himself, should have stayed fixed and passed.

 

4♥ was not a thing of beauty, but it sure wasn't the bid to blame. Give responder ♦K if you will and it would still be a bad slam.

 

We've all been in worse slams that made, though. This was just bad luck ahah.

[Fluffy]

East missjudged his hand with 2♥, if you don't want to bid 2♣ for whatever reason your next best bid is an obvious 3♥, west overbid a little, so far 2 mistakes but neither of them are very gross.

 

But now jilly break a very important bridge rule that is to be consistent with previous bids. After a 2♥ rebid you have no business moving opposite 4♥, its true that you might realise that you hate your 2♥ bid now, but you can't do nothing about it, live with it and hope that your previous decision was the right one. Gussing all the time can't be good.

[gwnn]

East always has to pass 4♥, bidding on is impossible, you don't need to see the hands to say that. 2♥ shows 11-15 with 6 hearts, so if partner bids 4♥, that's the final word. The same goes for 1♥ then 3♥ and partner raises to 4♥.

 

After seeing the hands one can say further that West bid well and East should have rebid 2♣ instead of 2♥, but this isn't so important as the first paragraph.

[Free]

West made a practical bid of 4♥ imo, it's not that bad.

 

I blame:

99% East for rebidding 2♥ instead of 2♣

1% EW for not playing Gazzilli so E can rebid 3♣ immediately :P

[pooltuna]

Agree with everybody

1. 2♥ is an underbid and misdescriptive. Prefer 2♣.
2. 4♥ is a bit optimistic but a reasonable shot.
3. 4N is inconsistent.
4. 6♥ has chances but presumably it failed :(

 

 

Best of all the replies and the one with which I most agree

[Phil]

I don't think East can ever move over 4♥ in this auction.

 

Agree with 2♣, but that creates a MSC problem for West, especially for those misguided souls that like to open 1♥ with 5♥+6m.

[Phil]

double

[inquiry]

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This was the hand, and with clubs splitting and the king on side, and hearts behaving, it made six.

 

Jilly was North, Ben was south, and EW's slam close to the end of the event knocked us out as no one else bid it (or if they did, didn't make it) and we got an absolute zero.

 

Such is life. We had gotten some gifts in other sessions we played. If this had gone down. I was not at all pleased with the opponents auction, but perhaps late in teh session they needed a top and East tried first an underbid then an overbid on the same hand. Anyway it worked for them. [/hv]

[Lurpoa]

4♥ would also be my bid.

 

whether E wants to probe for slam is more open for discussion....and Blackwood is certainly not the best tool here, with singleton in P's color. Most important is to find some spot cards in ♣. But how to find ?

No, slam try cannot be the best option.

[rduran1216]

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This was the hand, and with clubs splitting and the king on side, and hearts behaving, it made six.

 

Jilly was North, Ben was south, and EW's slam close to the end of the event knocked us out as no one else bid it (or if they did, didn't make it) and we got an absolute zero.

 

Such is life. We had gotten some gifts in other sessions we played. If this had gone down. I was not at all pleased with the opponents auction, but perhaps late in teh session they needed a top and East tried first an underbid then an overbid on the same hand. Anyway it worked for them. [/hv]

 

without seeing your hands, I don't think 6H is a ridiculous contract at all. It requires either less than perfect defense, or the K of clubs onside. Bad luck that nobody else got there.

[mgoetze]

without seeing your hands, I don't think 6H is a ridiculous contract at all.

 

32% is perhaps not quite ridiculous. The bidding that got them there was, however.

[nigel_k]

How are you getting 32%?

 

Club king onside, 3-3 break and 3-2 break comes to about 12% but there are some extra chances so maybe 15%.