from the Nationals...

[jillybean]

Orlando was superb and I had a fabulous 2 days playing with Ben. Ben was much more fabulous than I was and we came away with 3 lots of sticky pads each :)

 

Here's one example where I was decidedly un-fabulous.

 

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[mgoetze]

Let's see, I have 18, partner has about 11, RHO has about 11, and LHO has about 0. Looks like the ♥K is going to be onside, then. Spades, however, might be less fortunately distributed if partners' are not solid. We should probably try for slam but be willing to give up.

 

I don't see what's wrong with 3♦, natural and forcing, for the moment... Over the expected 3♠ response, lacking agreements as to 4♣ from me would mean, I would probably just cuebid 4♥.

[hrothgar]

Whats the vulnerability and scoring?

[jillybean]

Vulnerability NONE, scoring MP

[hrothgar]

Vulnerability NONE, scoring MP

 

This makes it a bit tricky: 2♥X -3 is going to outscore both 3N and 4♠.

 

There's no garuntee that you're going to set 2HX.

You can't even be sure that partner is going to reopen with a double.

Even so, its tempting to go for blood.

(People really need to be taught that its dangerous to overcall crappy suits at the two level white versus white)

 

I'd suspect that I'd bid on since the thought of partner passing 2♥ is too painful to bear.

 

3♦ looks like the obvious starting point.

 

Over 3♥, I'll rebid 4N

Over 3♠, I'll bid 4♣

Over 4♦, I'll bid 4♥

[jillybean]

Hi Richard,

 

What is 4N/3♥ and after 4♣/3♠ are you happy if partner bids 5♣?

[hrothgar]

Hi Richard,

 

What is 4N/3♥ and after 4♣/3♠ are you happy if partner bids 5♣?

 

Hi Kathryn

 

3♥ is a temporizing bid that denies the ability to bid 3♠,3N, 4♣, or 4♦.

Advancer's primary goal should be to bid 3NT with Hearts stopped

I would interprete 4N as a quantitative invite in NT

Opener can pattern out with a hand worth accepting

(Prepared to be told that I am very wrong)

 

As to the 4♣ after 3♠ sequence:

 

If I had really be interested in both minors, I would have started with a negative double.

I would expect most people to interprete 4♣ over 3♠ as a cue in support of Spades, in which case 4♣ probably shouldn't be natural.

 

A case can be made that 4♣ should be patterning out, however, i think that the cue bid interpretation is more useful.

[Phil]

Playing with Ben? And he has spades?

 

This is an accident waiting to happen since Axxxx void xxx Kxxxx is a ZAR opener :P

[Fluffy]

even opposite a light opener we can easilly ahve slam in diamonds. I'd bid 3♦

[Gerben42]

I won't go carpe jugulum (at the throat) and will bid a boring 3♦. I won't be finished in 3NT anyway so I don't mind if partner cannot bid it. May lead to having to play well in 4NT though, if so then so be it.

[the hog]

I am passing at this vulnerability, even playing opposite Ben's openers.

[rduran1216]

I'm bidding 6NT in a hurry

 

why beat around the bush ull know where every card is at trick 1

[mike777]

so pass or 6nt.......bridge is easy...)

[655321]

3♦ seems normal. If you try to defend 2♥X sometimes partner won't be able to reopen, sometimes they get out for less than 500, sometimes when you get 500 or 800 you should be making slam. The diamonds are not a good holding for defense if partner does reopen, and your heart pips aren't great.

[kgr]

...

As to the 4♣ after 3♠ sequence:

 

If I had really be interested in both minors, I would have started with a negative double.

I would expect most people to interprete 4♣ over 3♠ as a cue in support of Spades, in which case 4♣ probably shouldn't be natural.

 

A case can be made that 4♣ should be patterning out, however, i think that the cue bid interpretation is more useful.

Is 3♠ by partner promising a 6c♠? Should partner always bid 3♥ if he has nothing to say?

[jillybean]

I didn't bid 3♦,I doubled. If I bid 3♦ I didn't know how I should continue over a 3♠/3♥ response. I wanted to get to keycard or invite slam and I thought after 3♦ my next bid would likely be setting the contract.

 

I didn't think 4♣ would have been anything other than natural so I didn't give it any serious consideration.

[rduran1216]

its likely over a dbl partner bids 3C, and now you have a tough time making a meaningful forcing bid if 6D is the right place.

 

I suppose on a bad day RHO has K of spades and A of diamonds and so 6D is right and not 6NT, but 6NT is gonne be easy if p has decent spades

[l milne]

I'm not passing unless opps are vul, they can easily just have 6 or 7 trumps and we don't get adequate compensation.

 

Dislike double as it misrepresents our hand in a constructive auction. 3♦ for now for lack of any better alternatives.

 

6NT is obviously terrible, and I don't think it merits any further comment.

[rduran1216]

what is partner's hand?

[CSGibson]

what is partner's hand?

 

It almost doesn't matter what partner's hand is for 6N to be wrong. The reason its wrong is not because it's not likely to make - its because we have plenty of room to figure out what our best contract is, and the extra bidding will not likely make it easier for the defenders to lead and play.

[jillybean]

Partners hand was

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[rduran1216]

I dont suppose RHO had Qx spades :-P

[han]

There's no garuntee that you're going to set 2HX.

 

This seems a bit deep, otherwise I agree with hrothgar and others.

[hrothgar]

This seems a bit deep, otherwise I agree with hrothgar and others.

 

sorry, meant to say by 3