what do you bid?

[raist]

those who bid 1S, why not 2s?

those who bid 2S, do you really think your internal suit solidity is sufficient?

[kenrexford]

At one time, I thought that the only situation for direct-seat intermediate jump overcalls was red-v-white. OI am now doubting that conclusion. IMO, the high risk of light third-seat openings, and the lower likelihood of weak overcalls after two passes, suggests that any four-seat jump overcalls should also be intermediate.

 

Therefore, my new position is that 2♠ here should really be an intermediate jump overcall. This hand does not qualify for that, and hence my 1♠ vote.

[kenberg]

I acknowledge the point about suit quality. No, it really is not sufficient. I would be much happier if the suit were KQJxxx. But I am bidding 2S. It's the sort of overbid that can work out. For someone.

[mtvesuvius]

I bid 2♠. Not thrilled about my intermediate spots, but if I waited for the perfect hand to pre-empt, I'll still be waiting when I turn 50. Therefore, I bid 2♠, it describes my hand quite nicely.

[skjaeran]

1♠ for me. The suit is ok for the 2-level for me, but I've got too much potensial to make a weak bid.

[Phil]

2♠. I wouldn't do this r/w.

[gwnn]

1, it is not smart to preempt with the ace

[Fluffy]

2♠, if I bid 1♠ then 2♠ I like it to show opening values. Bidding 1♠ might force me to paly a bad partial that partner bids next

[losercover]

I had a hand similar to this with a better spade suit. It was a hand that would bid 1S and then rebid 2S. I opened 2S, got the contract and a bad result.

[straube]

2♠, if I bid 1♠ then 2♠ I like it to show opening values. Bidding 1♠ might force me to paly a bad partial that partner bids next

I agree with Fluffy.

[Free]

2♠, it's what I have.

[Phil]

1, it is not smart to preempt with the two aces

 

fyp

[rduran1216]

2♠. I wouldn't do this r/w.

 

I agree with this.

[MrAce]

2♠, i cant bid 1♠ and 2♠ later as Fluffy said.

 

Besides, what can be better strategy than using the most annoyed suit for preempt ? ;)

[gwnn]

what I mean, phil, was that I don't like preempting when almost all what I have in the suit is the ace.

[whereagles]

Pretty easy 2♠ for me. If you're scared, get a dog.

[rduran1216]

what I mean, phil, was that I don't like preempting when almost all what I have in the suit is the ace.

 

Didn't u just say Axxx and Axx were good holdings in another thread?

[mtvesuvius]

Didn't u just say Axxx and Axx were good holdings in another thread?

Are you aware that Axx(x) is NOT a pre-empt?

[gwnn]

In this thread I was talking about preempting, not bidding to make.

 

When I preempt, I am looking for good spots and quacks in my long suit. AQ5432 is not a suit I want to preempt in, especially not as a WJO and especially not vulnerable. KQT9xx is much MUCH better for a preempt. Of course, some people will agree with all this but still say that it's worth bidding 2S here. My experience is that it's not.

 

Mind you, I would be happy to bid 2S if I was NV. it's not that I never preempt when I have the ace, I just noted a negative factor that people have not noted before me.

[phil_20686]

These arguments about pre-empts go round and round. Sure, I might go for a number, but then I might miss a sacrifice by bidding 1s 2s as partner will assume I have more defence and less offence, and i might never get the chance to show my 6th spade. It also matters a lot what you bid 1s-3s on. You will lose a lot here if partner is allowed to make mixed raises on balanced and unbalanced shapes since you will never be able to judge effectively to bid 4s after say 1d-1s-x-3s-4h ?. If you had bid 2S partner would probably be able to judge. It also depends how good your opps are, as bad pre-empts work best versus weak opps. Essentially it improves the expectation when they bid badly. Anyone who wants to do well in mixed ability fields should vary pre-empt style based on your opposition. Obviously if you are playing a WC you wouldn't do that. 2S is a more effective preempt than 2H, and you should be prepared to do it on worse hands here. You would have to be playing WC opposition for one to even imagine that the tactical gain from 2S is not worth the risk. Agree with gwinn that a suit like KQJT9x is much better for a preempt, but disagree that this is bad. Also, if you are too disciplined it helps the opposition a lot when you do pre-empt. So everywhere there are trade offs to be made. Finally, what you have is not always that important compared to what opposition will think that you will have. In a world of conservative pre-emptors you gain from pre-empting badly as they will base their judgement on their expected norms for your pre-empt, rather than on what you are actually likely to have. Say all red you are in second with a trump holding KJx and the bidding foes 3s p p x p ? If opposs are conservative you might think, his trumps are poor he will definitely have 7 and maybe 8, I'd better not risk a pass, or you might think "He has at most 4 trump tricks probably", and its important to realise that none of that thought process depends on your actual hand.

 

FWIW I think this is a clear 2S bid. Would bid 1S at red vs white. Against poor oppos I would almost certainly bid 3S at white vs red.

[gwnn]

Yes, they do go round and round and we all choose a style based on our ideas and experiences and stick to our style and only change it gradually and in unknowable ways and nobody's mind will be changed by these posts. what else is new?