inquiry Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) Prior to these hands, score was 26 to 22 favor Goodwins [hv=pc=n&s=saj962hdj43cqt974&n=st4h972dakq95caj2&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2h2s4hpp4np6dppp]266|200|Board 5 Dlr North Vul N-S East overcalls 2♥, West bids 4♥ if he can. Submitted by Ant590 Bidding by Han (north) and jlall (south)[/hv] [hv=pc=n&s=saj962hdj43cqt974&n=st4h972dakq95caj2&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2hp4hppdppp]266|200|North MrGoodwin, south timG Scores: 5DS = 105DN = 96DN/S = 44Hx = 14H =0[/hv] Running scores: 26 Jlall-han (gain 4)26 Goodwins (gain 1) ====================================== [hv=pc=n&s=sqjt63hq53dkt8ck3&n=sa74hjt874dq94caq&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=ppp1hp1sppp]266|200|Board 6 Dlr East Vul E-W E-W do not bid North MrGoodwin, South TimG[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=sqjt63hq53dkt8ck3&n=sa74hjt874dq94caq&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=ppp1hp2cp2dp2sp2np3nppp]266|200|North Han, South Jlall No game contract is a good spot, but if you had to be in game, 4♥ is best Scores: 2H = 11 2S= 10 3H=8 3S = 7 1N , 4H= 4 2N ,4S= 3 3N = 1[/hv] The Goodwins make a huge move on this board, Running Scores after 6 boards27 Jlall-han (gain 1 for 3N)33 Goodwins (gain 7 for 3S) Edited November 26, 2010 by inquiry Adjust running scores for corrections to earlier boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGoodwin Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 No problem on 5 & 6 as far as I am concerned. I do think scoring adjustments are merited on 1, 3, and 4, though. (I don't mean to be litigious, although it probably sounds that way.) On 1, I agree that we wrong-sided and they right-sided it, but I don't think the difference is as much as 4MP; maybe 2 (or, as someone else has suggested, 1)? Bd. 3 should just be tossed out, for reasons stated in the thread on that deal. (I believe we would have been in 3NT absent that natural 2H overcall of our 1H opening bid. Probably 1H-2C; 2NT-3S; 3NT-P.) Anyway, the flawed script makes comparisons pretty meaningless. On Bd. 4, I agree with other people here that 6D is better than 5D, not the other way around. So if all of that is right, we were actually leading after six boards. But don't worry, they had plenty of scope for retaking the lead in the last 10 deals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 5 I think Han made a very nice bid and was pretty unlucky I had a yarb. Opposite 5035 he needs little for slam to be good. How good is 5D? It depends on how perfect the defense is. Say we get a heart lead ruffed, I think the right line is to run the CT. If it's possible for them to duck the king offside that is bad for us. Say they'll always win if they have it. Now if they return a spade (best), you win, and I think need 3-2 clubs 3-2 diamonds, or stiff T of diamonds. However if they err and play a diamond or a heart you no longer need 3-2 diamonds. Say the CT wins, now you can play club to the jack, heart ruff, trumps, CA and again need 3-2 3-2 I think. Seems like a hard hand to score and 4 seems reasonable. 6 is a good ATB imo. We got to a ridiculous contract, but if he or I had had a third club it might have been very good. Should partner sign off over 2C (I don't think so). Should I bid 2H over 2D (I do have ELEVEN and a ruffing value and no bad jacks, so I didn't think so but my hand is pretty soft). Should something different happen after, maybe I sign off in 3H over 2N? BTW this is a pretty good hand for 2 way drury, han has a much better hand opposite 4 trumps than 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 Bd. 3 should just be tossed out, for reasons stated in the thread on that deal. (I believe we would have been in 3NT absent that natural 2H overcall of our 1H opening bid. Probably 1H-2C; 2NT-3S; 3NT-P.) Anyway, the flawed script makes comparisons pretty meaningless. I really don't agree with this - why should it be thrown out because they overcalled 2H natural over 1H 4 card majors? This is something that could happen in real life and you'd have to deal with it. Why is the hand so much harder or fundamentally different when they overcall 2H over 1H rather than 1N? It is still a test of bidding and judgement, just because it's a weird scenario does not make it less viable. You still had the same info: they have hearts, at the same level (2H). Anyways we should probably discuss this on the thread for this board, but that's just my opinion. Strongly agree with you about board 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 No problem on 5 & 6 as far as I am concerned. I do think scoring adjustments are merited on 1, 3, and 4, though. (I don't mean to be litigious, although it probably sounds that way.) On 1, I agree that we wrong-sided and they right-sided it, but I don't think the difference is as much as 4MP; maybe 2 (or, as someone else has suggested, 1)? Bd. 3 should just be tossed out, for reasons stated in the thread on that deal. (I believe we would have been in 3NT absent that natural 2H overcall of our 1H opening bid. Probably 1H-2C; 2NT-3S; 3NT-P.) Anyway, the flawed script makes comparisons pretty meaningless. On Bd. 4, I agree with other people here that 6D is better than 5D, not the other way around. So if all of that is right, we were actually leading after six boards. But don't worry, they had plenty of scope for retaking the lead in the last 10 deals! You were correct, after the first two bidding round (board 1,2 and 3,4) you were ahead. And are ahead here too. Unfortunately, you are probably going to be right about the later rounds as well. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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