Methods over (2M) - X - (XX)

[mohitz]

where XX is penalty. What do you play here? What is pass and 2N?

[awm]

Exactly as over (2M)-X-(Pass).

 

I don't want the meaning of my calls to depend on whether redouble shows/denies a fit, whether opponents psyched redouble, whether opponents have some weird redouble agreement (like rosencrantz or mccabe) that they're not telling me. In particular I'd like to still be able to defend 2MXX if that's the best spot.

[Fluffy]

same as above

[han]

Pass is indeed to play but 2NT is scrambling if redouble is business.

 

I have a hard time believing that lebensohl is as useful as scrambling in this situation, especially if the major is spades.

[mfa1010]

Agree with han, scramble after a business redouble.

[MrAce]

Pass is indeed to play but 2NT is scrambling if redouble is business.

 

I have a hard time believing that lebensohl is as useful as scrambling in this situation, especially if the major is spades.

 

To me, 2NT % 100 scramble after 2♠ and rdbl, if pass is to play. If pass is not to play then pass can be used as scramble.

[WellSpyder]

Mohitz, are you really located in India? I should think about a dozen pairs faced exactly this auction in England's premier inter-county competition (Tollemache) yesterday.

 

FWIW, I agree with the consensus here that pass is to play and 2N is scrambling rather than Lebensohl. I had better check that my partner sees it the same way, though....

[mohitz]

Mohitz, are you really located in India? I should think about a dozen pairs faced exactly this auction in England's premier inter-county competition (Tollemache) yesterday.

 

yea, it was just a coincidence :)

[mikeh]

agree with han

[Furlan]

Intuitively I would say Pass = scramble (no clear direction) and 2NT = Lebensohl, knowing what to do next (e.g. weak with long minor). Seems to make us able to profit from the extra space they gave us.

[dake50]

Using XX as penalty, what hands does weak2 double on?

SA + they hit my side feature? Less since XX asks penalty?

I' m thinking eg.

2S <X> XX <3C>, X = SA + C-honor, P = not that??

even later business doubles must show something.

 

Sorry to hijack this discussion and turn it

back onto the opening side,

but this dhould be agreed in A @ E partnerships.

[Phil]

Pass is penalty. I don't have strong feelings about 2N being scrambling or Lebensohl tbh. Either could work, just like playing 2N in response to a TOx (without the xx) can reasonably be played as scrambling.

 

I can't ever remember a responder making a natural xx in this auction. Doesn't that seem like a bad agreement?

[WellSpyder]

Using XX as penalty, what hands does weak2 double on?

SA + they hit my side feature? Less since XX asks penalty?

I' m thinking eg.

2S <X> XX <3C>, X = SA + C-honor, P = not that??

even later business doubles must show something.

Good question! The weak 2 hand in the Tolle mentioned earlier was ♠KQJ1093 ♥J3 ♦10 ♣10985. Should this hand be doubling 3♣ at love all (imps)? (At my table, the opening bid was 3♠ and the auction proceeded as suggested but a level higher. I certainly think this hand can afford to double 4♣ (though I failed to do so at the time).

[nige1]

where XX is penalty. What do you play here? What is pass and 2N?

Agree with majority: _P = penalty suggestion. 2N = scramble. Cue = somebody's having fun. Others = natural.