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[mikestar13]

[hv=pc=n&w=s54ht4daqj97cak76&e=saqt3hakq92dk54c3]266|100|East dealer, both vulnerable, IMP[/hv]

 

Would you bid it differently at matchpoints?

 

How would you bid if West deals?

[ontherock]

2/1 T-Walsh

1♣ - 1♦ (Balance or Natural; 4+ Hearts)

1♥ - 2♦ (2-3 Spades and No Singleton; Game Force)

3♦ - 4♦ (2 Spades and 5 Diamonds; RKCB)

4NT - 5♣ (2 Keycards with Queen; King Asking)

5NT - 7♦ (Just Diamond King; Safe Place)

[mgoetze]

2/1 T-Walsh

1♣ - 1♦ (Balance or Natural; 4+ Hearts)

1♥ - 2♦ (2-3 Spades and No Singleton; Game Force)

3♦ - 4♦ (2 Spades and 5 Diamonds; RKCB)

4NT - 5♣ (2 Keycards with Queen; King Asking)

5NT - 7♦ (Just Diamond King; Safe Place)

 

I think you missed the "East dealer" bit. BTW, West is a 1♦ opener in my book.

[mtvesuvius]

I believe finding 7♦ will be the top spot at both MPs and IMPs hopefully.

 

Relay auction to get there:

1♣ - 2♣ [16+ Any/5+♦; 12+ HCP (7+ AKQ points)]

2♦ - 2♥ [Relay/4+♣]

2♠ - 3♦ [Relay/Equal Shortness]

3♥ - 3♠ [Relay/Maximum; 2254]

4♦ - 4♥ [Asking how Responder likes hand for a ♠ slam/Good Hand for ♠ slam (or just general max)]

4N - 5♠ [RKC - ♦/2 ♦KC, ♦Q]

5N - 6♣ [King Ask/♣K]

7♦ - P [Let's play here!/*groans*, fine...]

 

2/1 auction to get there:

1♥ - 2♦

2♠ - 2N

3♦ - 3♥

4♦ (RKC) - ... Same after this, getting to grand without much trouble.

[nige1]

mess so reposted later

[akhare]

1♣ - 2♣....................16+ any; Minors

2♦ - 3♣.................Relay; 2=2=5=4

3♦ - 4♣.................Control ask; 9 QPs

4♦ - 4♥................DCB; 0/2 ♦ AKQ cards

4♠ - 4N.........................0/2 ♣ AKQ cards

5♣ - 5♦.................0/2 ♠ AKQ cards

 

At this point, opener can picture all of responder's 9 QPs..so 7♦...

[Free]

Playing my new basic precision system (natural with kickback turbo for minors):

1♣ - 2♦ (16+ any ; GF 5+♦)

2♥ - 3♣ (5+♥ ; 4+♣)

3♦ - 4♦ (3+♦ ; SI sets trumps)

4♠* - 5♣ (odd nr of keycards with ♠ control ; no ♥ control but ♣ control)

5NT - 6♣ (♥ control but denies ♦Q ; asks a 3rd round control ♣)

7♦ - pass (3rd round ♣ control and 4 tricks outside minors ; jay)

(*)4♥ would show an even number of keycards (kickback turbo), so 4♠ doesn't deny a ♥ control

[Zelandakh]

...1C - 15+nat/bal, or 18+ any

1S = 9+, 0-3 hearts, 0-3 spades, GF

...1N = relay, usually 18+

2C = 5+ diamonds, 0-4 clubs

...2D = relay

2H = 4 clubs

...2S = relay

2N = 5 diamonds

...3C = relay

3H = 2=2=5=4

...3N = offer to play, non-forcing

4S = significant extras, 5 controls

...4N = relay

5H = diamond and club controls, no spade control

...5N = queen ask

6C = no CQ

...6D = what about DQ?

7D = yep, plus the DJ but no side queen

 

 

With West as dealer the bidding is similar...

 

1D = 4+ diamonds, 10-17

...1H = INV+ relay

2C = 14-17, 4+ clubs, GF

...2D = relay

2H = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs

...2S = relay

2N = 5 diamonds

...3C = relay

3H = 2=2=5=4

...3S = relay

4D = 5 controls

...4H = relay

5C = diamond and club controls, no spade control

...5N = queen ask

6C = no CQ

...6D = what about DQ?

7D = yep, plus the DJ but no side queen

[Flameous]

Decision club:

 

1♣ - 1NT

2♣ - 2♦

2♥ - 3♣

3♥ - 4♥

5♣ - 5♦

7♦

 

15+, (9+ akq); GF, clubs or minors (6+ akq)

rel; 5+♦, 4+♣

rel; 2254

RKC for ♦; 2/Q and Q or AK in clubs

Ask in spades; 0 or 3 tops

Seems like 7♦ will have to do.

 

I could try to find ♥J instead of ♠K, might be better move actually. I don't think there is enough room to try to find out both.

[Free]

~snip~

2C = 5+ diamonds, 0-3 clubs

...2D = relay

2H = 4 clubs

~snip~

0-3♣ and 1 bid later he has 4♣ :blink:

[Zelandakh]

0-3♣ and 1 bid later he has 4♣ :blink:

Sorry, typo. That should read 0-4. Will edit it.

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&w=s54ht4daqj97cak76&e=saqt3hakq92dk54c3]266|100|East dealer, both vulnerable, IMP.

Would you bid it differently at matchpoints?

How would you bid if West deals?[/hv]

I hope we'd get to 6♦ or 6N. :)

Because we'd find some ingenious way to go down in 7♦ :(

Although it's not bad, with East declarer. :(.

On a very good day, using Tsetse club:

 

.....1♣

2♣ - 2♥

2♠ - 2N

3♥ - 3N

4♣ - 4♦

4♥ - 4N

5N - 6N

End

 

1♣ = 16+

2♣ = 8+ no 4+ major

2♠ = No 3+ major

3♥ = 2♥

4♣ = 5+ ♦

4♥ = 3 key

5N = ♦Q and ♣K. No major king.

[dake50]

In IMP surely the other table goes slam. What odds for grand? +17 :: -16 IMP.

Are we there? D:5-0 fails, even D:4-1 pesky. H:6-0,5-1 fails, even 4-2 pesky.

Put back in bad break may repurchase SK onside.

What plan do granders propose? Doesn't feel enough.

Two C-ruffs? How back? And back again?

One C-ruff with S-H squeeze? What clues that?

One C-ruff with SQ finesse? What clues that?

Hearts run for 5 tricks? H:3-3 + [H:J. or H:Jx]

[W Kovacs]

I'm prety sure we get there with East as dealer:

 

.....1♣ (16+)

2♣ - 2♦ (8+, 5+♦; tell me about your ♦)

2NT - 3♣ (5♦ w/ 2 of 3 top H; how about your clubs?)

3NT - 4♠ (1st round control; and spades?)

5♣ - 6♦ (3rd round control; pity)

7♦ (But I do have an extra you don't know about)

 

With West opening it's a little different:

 

1♦ - 2♥ (11-15, 2+ ♦; 18-19 bal, 16+ ♥ or 16+ ♥ & ♦)

2♠ - 3♦ (relay; ♥ & ♦)

4♣ - 4♥ (cue; cue)

4NT - 5♦ (1430; 3 KC)

6♦ - 7♦ (good; extras)

 

Not sure if the West opening would actually get there, though. It might just be me knowing where the auction needed to get to.

[olien]

Ok, since everybody gives their auction, I want to sound cool xD

 

Starting with East:

 

----- 1♣ (---; 15+ any)

1♦ -- 1♥ (any GF; relay)

1♠ -- 1NT (2-suited w/o ♠ or 1 minor; relay)

3♦ -- 3♥ (5+♦ 4♣ equal short; relay)

3♠ -- 3NT (2254 concentrated 8+ RPs, relay)

4♦ -- 4♥ (9 RPs, relay)

4♠ -- 4NT (0 or 2 top ♦; relay)

5♣ -- 7♦ (0 or top 2♣; to play)

 

 

With West as Dealer:

 

1♦ -- 2♣ (10-14 HCP 4+♦ unbalanced; relay)

2♠ -- 2NT (5+♦ 4♣; relay)

3♦ -- 3♥ (equal short; relay)

3NT -- 4♥ (2254 extras; RKC ♦)

5♦ -- 5♥ (2 w/ Q; spec K ask)

6♣ -- 7♦ (K of clubs; OK)

[lesh]

1) 1di (prec) - 1he

2) 2cl 9+ in minors - 2sp 4th suit forcing

3) 3di 5di 4th club no stopper in spades and without support - 4NT obvious diamond RKC otherwise over 2cl 4nt would be inv

4) 5sp - 5NT ,

5) 6cl - king of clubs - 7di lets give it a shot 4he, 6di(club ruff), Asp, A Kclubs

[mikestar13]

I think 7♦ is a good result at MP or IMP and the odds or sufficient as 6 is likely to be reached.

 

 

First, with East dealer:

[hv=d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1cp2dp2hp3cp3dp4cp4np5sp5np6cp7dppp]133|100[/hv]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With West dealer:

[hv=d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1dp1hp2cp2sp3dp4np5sp5np6cp7dppp]133|100[/hv]

[mikestar13]

I think 7♦ is a good result at MP or IMP and the odds or sufficient as 6 is likely to be reached.

 

 

First, with East dealer:

[hv=d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1cp2dp2hp3cp3dp4cp4np5sp5np6cp7dppp]133|100[/hv]

1♣=17+, artificial.

2♦=8+, 5+♦, unbalanced. Denies 4 card major.

2♥=5+♥.

3♣=second suit.

3♦=agrees ♦.

4♣=♣A or K. Should have extras as serious 3NT not available.

4NT=RKCB for ♦....

 

With West dealer:

[hv=d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1dp1hp2cp2sp3dp4np5sp5np6cp7dppp]133|100[/hv]

1♦=11-16, 4+♦, unbalanced OR strong NT. Denies 4 card major if unbalanced.

1♥=6+, 4+♥.

2♣=5-4 either way in minors.

2♠=FSF.

3♦=longer ♦.

4NT=RKCB in ♦....

 

Not particularly proud of either auction.

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&w=s54ht4daqj97cak76&e=saqt3hakq92dk54c3]266|100|East dealer, both vulnerable, IMP.

Would you bid it differently at matchpoints?

How would you bid if West deals?[/hv]

In IMP surely the other table goes slam. What odds for grand? +17 :: -16 IMP.

Are we there? D:5-0 fails, even D:4-1 pesky. H:6-0,5-1 fails, even 4-2 pesky.

Put back in bad break may repurchase SK onside.

What plan do granders propose? Doesn't feel enough.

Two C-ruffs? How back? And back again?

One C-ruff with S-H squeeze? What clues that?

One C-ruff with SQ finesse? What clues that?

Hearts run for 5 tricks? H:3-3 + [H:J. or H:Jx]

West is declarer in 7♦. North leads ♠7. Plan the play.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

[hv=pc=n&w=s54ht4daqj97cak76&e=saqt3hakq92dk54c3]266|100|East dealer, both vulnerable, IMP[/hv]

 

I could get to 7D with my special treatment for 1H openers and a 2/1 GF Response ( 2D! )...

( Opener will show his 4 5 3 1 hand with "extras" ),

but ONLY if West goes key card and not East... because West is the only one who knows about the trump JACK !!

which would be needed in case of "pesky" a 4-1 trump split. Any 4-1 and any 3-2 split is 28% + 68% = 96% .

 

It still will be speculative ( "pesky" as Dake might put it ) , because what if West's major holding were:

 

♠ x x x

♥ x

 

It will still make if the Hts split 4-3 ( 62% ).

Will only need to ruff one Cl and the remaining 5 losers in the West hand are covered by East's: sA, hAKQ and long Ht.

 

Holding 7 Hts, any 4-2 split or a 3-3 increase those odds to 84% .

[Cyberyeti]

Playing a modified form of acol with 4 card majors, we bid:

 

E dealer:

 

1♥-2♦

2♠-2N

3♦-4♣

4♥-5♣(RKCB, 2 with)

5♠-6♣ (K♠?, no but I do have the K♣)

?

 

Now E is on a guess, partner has either what he actually has (give or take the J♦) or possibly xxx, xx, AQxxx, AKx. With what he actually has, the grand is good, with the other hand, it's much less good but not misere, so I'd probably bid it. Partner might also have the J♥ which would considerably improve things.

 

W dealer

 

1♦-1♥

2♣-2♠

3♠-4♦(in a situation where 3♠ cannot be natural, it shows extras with no stop)

5♣-5♥

6♣-?

 

Again a guess, partner has shown an approximate 15 count with the ♣AK and no more than the major suit jacks, so figures to have the ♦A and probably the Q as well. He could have something unfortunate like Jx,Jx, Axxxx, AKQx where the grand is on a finesse and has to be played in no trumps.

 

At MP I might well bid 6N, at IMPS not sure what I'd do.

[Valardent]

East dealer :

 

1♥- 2♣nat/GF relay

2♠- 2NT 4+OM/relay

3♠- 4♣4531 10+QP/ask

4♠- 4NT 12 QP/DCB

5♣ - 5♦ 0, Q or AKQ in ♥/r

5NT- 6♣ A/K♠,A/K♦, no♥J/r

6♥- 6NT/7♦ AK or AQ or KQ♠, no 2ndtop♦

 

West dealer :

 

1♦- 1NT nat4+♦ or 18-20 bal/ GF relay

3♣- 3♦ xx54 8-11 QP/r

3♥- 3♠ 2254/ask

4♣- 4♦ 9QP/scan

4♥- 4♠ 0/2 Aces/r

5♦- 5♥ ♣K/r

5♠- 5NT ♦Q/r

6♦- 6♥ ♦J, no♣J/r

6♠- 6NT/7♦ no♥J

 

Both 7♦ would be misorientated... :(

Edited November 18, 2010 by Valardent

[Wackojack]

I notice that some 7♦ ers have wrong sided the contract for a spade lead. If you eschew the finesse, what are your chances? If you try and ruff 2 clubs you cant get back to your hand unless Hearts split 3-3. If you draw all trumps then you need hearts 3-3 or J to come down. If you ruff 1♣ you also have squeeze possibilities. This now looks like perhaps about 60% odds on. (Any mathmaticians?) Other lines look worse. 7♦by east looks a whole lot better. At MP I would want to be in 6NT by east.

[Free]

I notice that some 7♦ ers have wrong sided the contract for a spade lead. If you eschew the finesse, what are your chances? If you try and ruff 2 clubs you cant get back to your hand unless Hearts split 3-3. If you draw all trumps then you need hearts 3-3 or J to come down. If you ruff 1♣ you also have squeeze possibilities. This now looks like perhaps about 60% odds on. (Any mathmaticians?) Other lines look worse. 7♦by east looks a whole lot better. At MP I would want to be in 6NT by east.

And obviously there's the chance that opps don't even lead a ♠. :rolleyes: Could be a trump which isn't nice...

[Fluffy]

west deals?? this is very easy

 

1NT-2♦ 13-15 -forcing stayman

3♠-4♣ 2254-keycard ask in longest suit

4NT-5♣ 2 and the queen- specific kings

5NT-7♦ ♣K- 13 tricks in the form of 1♠, 4♥ (Ruffing one), 5♦, 3♣ (1 ruff)

 

 

If east deals it is not very problematic either, takes a bit more though

 

-----1♣ 16+

2♥-2♠ 54+ minors 8+ HCP-relay

3♦-3♥ 5♦4♣ 12+ HCP-relay

3♠-4♣ 2254-keycard ask in longest suit (same as above)