Poky Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 MP. They VUL. pass 3♣ pass 3NTDbl pass ?? What kind of hand do you expect from partner's double?(You hold some 5323 hand, if that does matter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 A hand that beats 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 KQJxxx in a suit with a club stop or similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Doesn't matter what I expect, partner says he can beat 3NT and he's on lead so I'll trust him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Take-out of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Not an opener, yet good enough to score well at 4-level?!! Show me that hand! He claims he can set 3NT having some lucky holding. Trus-U-Partner, TUP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 A suit that will set up immediately with a ♣ entry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 p is a passed hand making it impossible for the x to be penalty. I might assume p has a hand similar to QJTx QJTx QJTxx void and is begging for a sacrifice. If p was NOT a passed hand I would assume it was for penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 A hand that beats 3NT Sure.Because if you don't beat 3NT - you let them score the game, and if you are beating 3NT, you dobule to push them to 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not an opener, yet good enough to defeat 3nt?!! Show me that hand! FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 agree with OleBerg. Penalty looks weird. It looks like the decision is between penalty of clubs and takeout of clubs and obviously takeout of clubs is more likely and more important to show. Maybe we have Axxx Axxx in the majors and partner has a 5 or 6 carder in one of them, it's better to just play in our major than to venture a guess on trick 1. Of course all these scenarios are rather unlikely, but I feel the takeout interpretation is less unlikely. All that said, with most pickup partners I would never take it as t/o of clubs and I would never make the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Hi, #1 X is not a lead director, p i on lead#2 since p is a passed hand, and I passed as well, p cant know, that 3NT was a joke / psych, so he cant know, that they try to steal, hence he cant be sure, the hand belongs us, so X is not a reopening move.#3 X could either be penalty or T/O, and my guess is penalty, although I will be hard pressed to come up with an nonopening hand, that believes, it can beat 3NT, a running suit, but why did he not open with a preempt? A 5 carder, say AKQ?? And I will pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Sure.Because if you don't beat 3NT - you let them score the game, and if you are beating 3NT, you dobule to push them to 4♣.You left out - we scared them enough, so that they run to 4C, 4C= is less, than 3NT=, and even if 3NT goes down -1and 4C makes, that is still <= 200, a small price. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 I play this as take-out of clubs, whether or not I am a passed hand... but only by agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 If made by an unpassed hand I'd assume this was takeout of clubs even without agreement. Can a passed hand really have a three-suited takeout double here? If I were forming an agreement about this sequence, I think I'd suggest some specific two-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 If made by an unpassed hand I'd assume this was takeout of clubs even without agreement. Can a passed hand really have a three-suited takeout double here? If I were forming an agreement about this sequence, I think I'd suggest some specific two-suiter. How about 6(+) diamonds and 4 hearts? (With 6(+) diamonds and four spades, you could open more hands at the 1-level.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 We don't double the opponents in 3N only to let them run to 4♣, unless we are into mind games. So partner needs a hand that has a source of tricks and is loaded in clubs. KQJTx x xx QJTxx would fill the bill. If they run to 4♦, que sera sera, but partner might be able to stomp on that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 We don't double the opponents in 3N only to let them run to 4♣, unless we are into mind games. So partner needs a hand that has a source of tricks and is loaded in clubs. KQJTx x xx QJTxx would fill the bill. If they run to 4♦, que sera sera, but partner might be able to stomp on that too.That runs the risk that the 3NT bid without clubs ie. something like♠Axx ♥ Ax ♦ AKQJxxx ♣x More likely its 6/4 in the majors or 5/5♠AQxxx♥Kxxxx ♣xx♦xSure they might have the killer of 3NT but the lead is a pain but more likely partner will need to finesse through the 3NT hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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