Nothing exotic, just judgment

[kenberg]

[hv=pc=n&s=saqjthjt76da75cqt&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1dp1hp3dp]133|200|Imps, a team game.[/hv]

 

You have not played before with this partner but enough hands have been played so that you trust him to generally be on the same page as you are. Raising to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. Bidding 3♠ and then, if he calls 3NT, pulling to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. An immediate call of 3NT you expect will be passed. These bids, 3NT, 3♠, 4♦, are the choices, right?

 

Your choice?

 

Oh: The post says "nothing exotic". Whatever you might think of bidding 4♠ as kickback (and I don't think much of it) that call is not available to you. 4NT would be rkc, if that's what you want to do.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

You definitely are in slam territory ( your 14 and ostensibly partner's 17 ).

I like your 3♠ call followed by 4♦ showing that 3♠ was an advance cue for Diam., slammish.

[kayin801]

4♦, hoping to hear a heart cue? The worst case scenario is when partner opts to not cue hearts with Kxx, x, KQJxxx, AKx

 

I could be convinced 3♠ followed by 4♦ is right if that seems to better deny a club control. I don't know if that's a stronger auction than 4♦ directly though.

[pooltuna]

[snip]

You have not played before with this partner but enough hands have been played so that you trust him to generally be on the same page as you are. Raising to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. Bidding 3♠ and then, if he calls 3NT, pulling to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. An immediate call of 3NT you expect will be passed. These bids, 3NT, 3♠, 4♦, are the choices, right?

 

Your choice?

 

Oh: The post says "nothing exotic". Whatever you might think of bidding 4♠ as kickback (and I don't think much of it) that call is not available to you. 4NT would be rkc, if that's what you want to do.

 

3♠ I need partner to be able to evaluate his ♠ holding for slam purposes before bidding ♦

[mike777]

4d slam try now. My concern is 3s may muddy the waters as to what suit will be trumps if pard rebids something other than 3nt.

[TimG]

4NT would be rkc, if that's what you want to do.

Why wouldn't 4N be quantitative?

[kenberg]

Well, perhaps 4NT would be quantitative. It wasn't under consideration so I'm not sure. With partner having a strong diamond suit I don't think that slam is strictly a matter of high card points, but that might be taking "quantitative" too literally. Slam invitational I suppose. Anyway, I think partner would have taken it as rkc.

 

I'm open to thoughts on what's best.

[mikestar13]

4♦. Let's rule out the others. RKC with two open suit? I've been known to gamble on one if the lead isn't marked, but no way. 3NT with slam values? Grow a set.... 3♠ puts the focus on ♣, which you need, but you also need ♥--and there is no way for partner to know that ♥x is gold. 3♠ is my second choice.

[Cascade]

3♠ has a major flaw in that sometimes partner will bid 4♥ thinking that you have five hearts.

[gerry]

6♦

[andy_h]

4D is pretty clear. My three tens can be very resourceful.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Why wouldn't 4N be quantitative?

The 4NT-RKC "pecking order" when NO suit has been agreed ( not that I would bid 4NT over 3D ):

 

1. The strong 2C bidder's suit.

2. The strong jump shifter's suit.

3. The jump rebidder's suit. ( 3♦-jump rebid here ).

4. The last bid suit.

[kenberg]

[hv=pc=n&s=saqjthjt76da75cqt&n=s8hakqdkjt632ca42]133|200[/hv]

 

I confess I bid 3NT.

 

I pretty much decided I was wrong but I thought I would check back and also see what you think is right. I guess I am convinced by the 4♦ argument. It will continue, I assume, 4♥ 4♠ 5♣ 6♦. Which, perhaps, is an argument for bashing 6♦ rather than advertising the club weakness. But 4♦ is (now) my choice, I think. (I edited the mis-click in the hypothetical follow-up auction.)

 

I guess you would not say 6♦ is exactly a claimer, but I would place a heavy bet on it.

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=saqjthjt76da75cqt&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1dp1hp3dp]133|200|

Imps, a team game. You have not played before with this partner but enough hands have been played so that you trust him to generally be on the same page as you are. Raising to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. Bidding 3♠ and then, if he calls 3NT, pulling to 4♦ would be taken as a slam try. An immediate call of 3NT you expect will be passed. These bids, 3NT, 3♠, 4♦, are the choices, right? Your choice?

Oh: The post says "nothing exotic". Whatever you might think of bidding 4♠ as kickback (and I don't think much of it) that call is not available to you. 4NT would be rkc, if that's what you want to do.[/hv]

3N = 10, 6♦ = 8, 4♦ = 7, 3♠ = 6.

I would bid 3N, too, Ken. I would also have responded 1♥ earlier, but after partner's (non-forcing) 3♦ rebid, I feel that slam-exploration would now start on the wrong footing.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT is not an option, I dont want to play 3NT.

3S is not an option, for me this bid sounds like 5 hearts, spade values, even

if I bid 4D over 3NT, it will become murky.

 

So it is either 4D or 4NT, I would go with 4NT, but dont mind 4D.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: I have seen my heart suit - 4D.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

[hv=pc=n&s=saqjthjt76da75cqt&n=s8hakqdkjt632ca42]133|200[/hv]

 

Nice hand for Opener.

Too bad it didn't contain an extra point, say:

K Q 10 9 x x of Diam.

 

Then I could have used Gnasher's 2S! artificial GF "toy" with my follow-ups...

instead of the NF 3♦-jump rebid .... ;)

[kenberg]

I don't know the toy, but let me give you a situation from yesterday, maybe the GG (Gnasher Gadget) applies:

 

 

I open 1♥, partner responds 1♠. I had planned a possible underbid of 3♥ over a forcing NT but with my Axx of spades I want to be in game. After a bit of thought I bid 4♥. The good news is that 4♥ makes, the bad news is that it is cold for 7♠. A gadget would have been useful

[TWO4BRIDGE]

The GG is used only after a 1H response... not a 1H open.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I don't know the toy, but let me give you a situation from yesterday, maybe the GG (Gnasher Gadget) applies:

 

 

I open 1♥, partner responds 1♠. I had planned a possible underbid of 3♥ over a forcing NT but with my Axx of spades I want to be in game. After a bit of thought I bid 4♥. The good news is that 4♥ makes, the bad news is that it is cold for 7♠. A gadget would have been useful

 

You might look at Kaplan Inversion for 1H openers.

 

awn ...posted a thread: "Kaplan Inversion, What is it?" ( SAYC & 2/1 Forum) back in Sept 27, 2009.

 

and

raist.... posted: "Kaplan Interchange, what if Responder has 5 spades inv(itational)? " ( SAYC & 2/1 Forum) on Nov 26, 2010.

 

 

Oh, and lest I forget:

Zel(andah) has a relay system for 1H openers posted 10/28/2010 ):

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/42470-bid-these/page__st__20

[kenberg]

Thanks

 

I took a quick look and will look more later.

[Fluffy]

I prefer 3♠ over 4♦, partner has to make a decision over 4♦ and he will missevaluate his heart holding, however if we bid 3♠ and he bids 3NT we are very close to slam right now.

 

To show 5 hearts you bid 3♥, 3♠ is a stopper.