Beauty turns into the Beast

[pooltuna]

Team game

All Red

In third seat you pickup your hand

♠K86432

♥void

♦KQ82

♣AK2

 

A real beauty but then the bidding starts

2♥ (P) ?

 

an easy call ...no?

[TylerE]

2♠.

[dake50]

2S. Partner bids his feature with S:Hx, else cheaper of 2N, 3H.

[MrAce]

I pass, i am pretty pesimistic when in misfit and have bad texture in my own suit, i know we can miss game, but i will take the risk. If pd is opening weak 2 in 1st seat like i do, i will be fine with pass i think.

[Fluffy]

I put this dummy and wish partner good luck.

 

4♠ when partner has 2 cards will be very awful contract

[hotShot]

Easy pass for me, because our 2 level preempts can be really weak.

[mtvesuvius]

Depends on partner. With most partners I would pass. There is a couple people I would bid 2♠ with though. In general though, we need an awful lot from partner to have a decent chance at game.

[jillybean]

I still hate to pass, I'm going to try 2N Ogust.

[Zelandakh]

In general though, we need an awful lot from partner to have a decent chance at game.

A75/QJT987/43/43 is alot? at Game All? The problem is the safety of the 3 level when partner does not have the right hand rather than partner not being able to have enough. I think I would still bid 2S but the risk certianly makes Pass a LA. I do not think we should be preempting on rubbish at these colours as dealer (as some have suggested they do).

[Viren169]

Team game

All Red

In third seat you pickup your hand

♠K86432

♥void

♦KQ82

♣AK2

 

A real beauty but then the bidding starts

2♥ (P) ?

 

an easy call ...no?

 

A bit too good to pass.

 

2♠ and hope pd doesnt bid 3♥

 

BR

Viren

[mfa1010]

2♠. Nonforcing but raisable with fit. Perfect.

[peachy]

Pass. Opposite x-KQJ10xx-xxx-xxx 4S has zero chance.

[matmat]

2♠. Nonforcing but raisable with fit. Perfect.

 

Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2♠ call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.

 

I'm with @mtvesuvius on this one, it very much depends on partner's preemptive tendencies.

[kayin801]

2♠ with most people, but definitely pass if I'm playing with matmat

[matmat]

Pass. Opposite x-KQJ10xx-xxx-xxx 4S has zero chance.

 

Yes, but 3♥ probably still has good odds of making and we will stop there after partner's rebid.

[Fluffy]

I still hate to pass, I'm going to try 2N Ogust.

What contract are you trying to reach jilly?

[MrAce]

Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2♠ call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.

 

 

:D

[lesh]

I would pass and hope we dont go down in 2♥ :D

[nige1]

Team game. All Red. Third seat ♠ K86432 ♥- ♦ KQ82 ♣ AK2

2♥ (P) ?

IMO 2♠ = 10, _P = 5, 2N = 2.

We would open 2♥ with, eg ♠ Axx ♥ QJxxxx ♦ Jx ♣ xx

And, for us, 2♠ is F1.

[mfa1010]

Yes, I make sure to tap my left toe twice, rhythmically, against the floor letting my partner know that my 2♠ call is non-forcing. I might have trouble with this treatment in a carpeted environment, however.

 

What a shame. Fortunately my regular partners all have better memories than that... :D

 

I much prefer a NF treatment, which I have been playing for many years.

 

As it is so often the case, when playing something as NF, it enables us to get our suits in more often. Partner is in principle pretty well defined, so there is plenty of time to make delicate choice of games decisions later without having a forcing 2♠ available.

[mtvesuvius]

A75/QJT987/43/43 is alot? at Game All? The problem is the safety of the 3 level when partner does not have the right hand rather than partner not being able to have enough. I think I would still bid 2S but the risk certianly makes Pass a LA. I do not think we should be preempting on rubbish at these colours as dealer (as some have suggested they do).

This was also somewhat my thinking, but on the slightly more pessimistic side :)

 

I think that playing partner to have Axx♠ is playing for too much of a perfecto. Perhaps the risk is worth it with a fairly disciplined partner, since 3♥ vs 2♥ should (hopefully) only be a loss of 3 IMPs. If partner rebids 3m, we are stuck. Pass seems best now, trying to escape... Anything else is just making a bad situation worse.

 

IMO, partner isn't raising spades enough, and rates to not have a hand where game is reasonable enough to try for it.

 

Playing with most juniors that don't pay much attention to vulnerability, or playing an aggressive pre-emptive style, I think it's a pass. Playing with Andrew or a few of my other partners, I'd bid 2♠.

 

One more interesting thought: Would you change your bid if 2♥ could be 5? What if it promised a side 4cm?

[nigel_k]

I'll try 2♠. It will be wrong most of the time but is a 3-5 IMP loss against a 10 IMP gain. Still very close though.

[pooltuna]

IMO 2♠ = 10, _P = 5, 2N = 2.

We would open 2♥ with, eg ♠ Axx ♥ QJxxxx ♦ Jx ♣ xx

And, for us, 2♠ is F1.

 

Actually partner held

♠JT5

♥KQT754

♦A

♣963

 

I think the vulnerability made me think I needed to risk a 2♠ call but it was so uncomfortable I thought I needed to share my misery :)

[nige1]

Team game All Red In third seat ♠ K86432 ♥ - ♦ KQ82 ♣ AK2

2♥ (P) ?

I think that playing partner to have Axx♠ is playing for too much of a perfecto. Perhaps the risk is worth it with a fairly disciplined partner, since 3♥ vs 2♥ should (hopefully) only be a loss of 3 IMPs. If partner rebids 3m, we are stuck. Pass seems best now, trying to escape... Anything else is just making a bad situation worse.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Opposite

♠ Axx ♥QJxxxx ♦ Jx ♣ xx you are more likely to make 6♠ than be defeated in 4♠ :) But there are a variety of less suitable hands where game is a reasonable shot at teams

e.g. ♠ Qx ♥ QJxxxx ♦ Axx ♣ xx

e.g. ♠ Ax ♥ KJxxxx ♦ JTxx ♣ x

Your 2♠ bid often advertises a potential misfit. This should help partner to judge the merits of game. He can stop in 2N or three of a suit. Opponents, too, know that 2♠ shows a good hand with interest in game so they rarely double such a part-score.

[Zelandakh]

One more interesting thought: Would you change your bid if 2♥ could be 5? What if it promised a side 4cm?

Over a Muiderberg 2H, 2S seems to be even better. With a minimum partner will rebid 3S with support, 3m with a 5 card minor, or 2NT otherwise. With a max we'll see 3H on a partial spade fit, 3NT with a spade void (yuck!), or something descriptive at the 4 level with a spade fit. Seems like we are getting out into a better part score more often than not and games should usually be within respectable parameters for being vulnerable. Compared with the alternatives of passing or bidding 3C p/c I think 2S has enough upside here to be worthwhile.