Climate change

[Winstonm]

It's always embarrassing to have a Pinhead President, but especially so when he spews his stupid comments overseas: Trump, pressed on the environment in U.K. visit, says climate change goes ‘both ways’

 

 

 

Here's hoping that the Trump coalition of crooks, racists, and pinheads is insufficient to carry the 2020 election. But, alas, I'm not all that confident...

 

Individual-1 must see a correlation between neo-nazis and climate change: there is good on both sides.

[Al_U_Card]

It's always embarrassing to have a Pinhead President, but especially so when he spews his stupid comments overseas: Trump, pressed on the environment in U.K. visit, says climate change goes ‘both ways’

 

 

 

Here's hoping that the Trump coalition of crooks, racists, and pinheads is insufficient to carry the 2020 election. But, alas, I'm not all that confident...

At least he is right on this.... perhaps other things too. U.S. politics is errr... are ..... U.S. politics lollĺlllll

[johnu]

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More yada yada about ice age ....

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Conclusion:

 

1) The last ice age is over

[hrothgar]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/opinion/guatemala-migrants-climate-change.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

‘Food Doesn’t Grow Here Anymore. That’s Why I Would Send My Son North.’

 

A third son, now 14, will be the next to try his luck. Remaining as crops fail and children suffer is not an option.

 

“There’s no rain, and no way to grow crops,” Mateo Mateo said. “One can’t live here.”

[Al_U_Card]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/opinion/guatemala-migrants-climate-change.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

I spent some time there (Panajachel, Guatamala City) in the 1990s and right after the peace accords land was distributed to the Kiche natives. A couple of hundred square meters on various hillsides produced large amounts of onions, broccoli and other vegetables that those same locals carried down the hillsides to local markets. The tropical lowland jungles in the Peten region (Tikal and the mundo perdido were spectacular for the Mayan pyramids etc.) were lush but climate cycles were part of the reason that the Maya and others (Toltecs etc.) rose and fell. Cycles of drought, natural and reversible depending on the PDO and Enso. CO2, not so much... if at all.

[Al_U_Card]

Conclusion:

 

1) The last ice age is over

And the next one is coming ... soon? [CO2] follows temperature and the current inter-glacial is one of the coolest but longest of the last 5. Lucky? Maybe... so, do we need even more greenhouse warming or less? I hate snow shovelling without having to deal with several kilometers of the stuff.

 

http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/graphs/ice-cores/vostok-ice-core-petit-web.gif

[johnu]

More Yada about ice age

 

Of course every reputable climate scientist has predicted that there will be another ice age before the worst of the global warming disasters come to fruition. B-)

[PassedOut]

White House blocked intelligence agency’s written testimony saying climate change could be ‘possibly catastrophic’

 

White House officials barred a State Department intelligence agency from submitting written testimony this week to the House Intelligence Committee warning that human-caused climate change could be “possibly catastrophic.” The move came after State officials refused to excise the document’s references to federal scientific findings on climate change.

 

The effort to edit, and ultimately suppress, the prepared testimony by the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research comes as the Trump administration is debating how best to challenge the fact that burning fossil fuels is warming the planet and could pose serious risks unless the world makes deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions over the next decade. Senior military and intelligence officials have continued to warn climate change could undermine America’s national security — a position President Trump rejects.

 

Officials from the White House’s Office of Legislative Affairs, Office of Management and Budget, and National Security Council all raised objections to parts of the testimony that Rod Schoonover, who works in the Office of the Geographer and Global Issues, prepared to present on the bureau’s behalf for a hearing Wednesday.

 

The document lays out in stark detail the implications of what the administration faces in light of rising carbon emissions that the world has not curbed.

 

“Absent extensive mitigating factors or events, we see few plausible future scenarios where significant — possibly catastrophic — harm does not arise from the compounded effects of climate change,” the document said.

The pinhead presidency strikes again, certain that he, and the other pinheads who lack the ability to reason about the climate change, will be dead and gone before it really gets bad.

[Al_U_Card]

White House blocked intelligence agency’s written testimony saying climate change could be ‘possibly catastrophic’

 

 

The pinhead presidency strikes again, certain that he, and the other pinheads who lack the ability to reason about the climate change, will be dead and gone before it really gets bad.

The same agencies that reported in the 70s that expected global cooling would be a disaster and affect national security? WMDs perhaps? A bridge in Brooklyn? Allan Dulles must be chortling on his throne in hell....

[PassedOut]

Conservatives should change how they think about global warming. I did

 

We have imperfect geologic records and imperfect computer models, which reflect our imperfect understanding of climate dynamics.

 

It took time for me to come to the realization that uncertainty is an argument for – not against – decarbonizing the economy as quickly as possible. Never before have we run an experiment where greenhouse gases were loaded into the atmosphere at today’s rates. While we don’t know precisely what will follow, we understand basic physics well enough to know that “warming is coming”. How much, and how dangerous it will be, is an open question, but we have no backup planet if the answer is a bad one.

 

As a conservative who has been in business all my life, I've always viewed climate change from the viewpoint of risk management. What has surprised me was that some conservatives took a less relevant view of the problem. Of course there is uncertainty -- so what? Mankind adds billions of tons of heat-trapping CO₂ to the atmosphere every year, and the accumulation increases -- so what we are doing now traps more and more heat (duh). The exact tipping-point amount does not need to be known before we act to mitigate the risk of the worst-case scenarios.

 

Ignoring the pinhead argument that global cooling is right around the corner, :rolleyes: the conservative approach must be for mankind to address what actually can be controlled by mankind. Anything else is utter stupidity (or worse).

[Al_U_Card]

Conservatives should change how they think about global warming. I did

 

 

 

As a conservative who has been in business all my life, I've always viewed climate change from the viewpoint of risk management. What has surprised me was that some conservatives took a less relevant view of the problem. Of course there is uncertainty -- so what? Mankind adds billions of tons of heat-trapping CO₂ to the atmosphere every year, and the accumulation increases -- so what we are doing now traps more and more heat (duh). The exact tipping-point amount does not need to be known before we act to mitigate the risk of the worst-case scenarios.

 

Ignoring the pinhead argument that global cooling is right around the corner, :rolleyes: the conservative approach must be for mankind to address what actually can be controlled by mankind. Anything else is utter stupidity (or worse).

That is not the question, even if climate dare change willy-nilly despite our spewing all those tons of CO2 ... speaking of which, say we "decarbonize" completely. Since we are made from the evil stuff, POOF! off we go and what remains? Do the math. Human CO2 is just 4% of "natural" sources. And CO2 is just 5% of all GHGs. So, our 0.2% of GHGs will save the planet how many degrees of warming? Say what? Less than 0.1 degree? Glad we were eradicated for a good reason...

[hrothgar]

Human CO2 is just 4% of "natural" sources. And CO2 is just 5% of all GHGs. So, our 0.2% of GHGs will save the planet how many degrees of warming? Say what? Less than 0.1 degree? Glad we were eradicated for a good reason...

 

This argument is stupid even for you

 

Do you get paid by the word?

[johnu]

This argument is stupid even for you [Al_U_Card]

 

But not close to some of the most egregious doozies he has posted in the recent past. B-)

[Al_U_Card]

The ravages of ever-increasing atmospheric [CO2] ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just more facts to confuse the issue of how much we need to fix the climate.

[hrothgar]

Since you decided to cut and paste from Watts Up with That for your Tornado damage, perhaps you would be interested in those inconvenient parts of the article that Watt's ignored

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-018-0048-2.pdf

 

The presented trends in spatial tornado frequency are important

for understanding the tornado as a hazard, which involves

examining the comingling of physical risk (i.e., climatological

probability of a tornado report) and societal vulnerability (e.g.,

population density). Such increases in tornado frequency across

the Mid-South juxtapose with an already vulnerable population to

tornadoes. In fact, this geographic area of the United States

already represents a maximum in the occurrence of casualties

associated with tornadoes.31 Climate downscaling and societal

vulnerability studies also highlight the Mid-South as having the

greatest potential for increased tornado disasters by the end of

the century.23,25,32,33

Economic losses associated with tornadoes will continue to

increase in future years, both due to the spatial changes presented

herein and the expanding footprint of the built environment.34 It

is noted that the impacts associated with projected 21st century

increases in tornado frequency are outweighed by projected

growth in the human-built environment. However, the combination

of an increase in risk and exposure could lead to a threefold

increase in tornado disaster potential.32,33 Thus, it is important to

continue monitoring the presented physical trends in tornado

frequency and recognize that they have consequences for

increases in tornado disaster potential.

[johnu]

Extra credit for posting more Yada than average, although this may be influenced by global warming effects on brain activity.

 

The chart Global Annual Death Rate from Natural Disasters is especially suspect. The numbers appear more suspect than the usual A1_U_Card postings which is saying something.

 

Al_U_Card - For extra credit, please explain the relationship between a global economy and worldwide transportation systems in moving food around the world, especially humanitarian food aid?

[hrothgar]

Al_U_Card - For extra credit, please explain the relationship between a global economy and worldwide transportation systems in moving food around the world, especially humanitarian food aid?

 

Or, better yet, explain how all those melting glaciers in the Himalayas are a good thing...

 

[i understand that this only effects brown people, so Al doesn't actually care, but please make a pretense]

[johnu]

Or, better yet, explain how all those melting glaciers in the Himalayas are a good thing...

 

As Al_U_Card has explained, forget your lying eyes. Things are not getting warmer, we're at the beginning of a new ice age.

 

If you own a house in one of the northern states, sell now and buy a house in Mexico where temperatures will be quite tolerable during the coming ice age. BTW, the Mexican wall isn't really supposed to keep people from south of the border out of the USA. It's to keep the hoi poloi from the northern and central US states from fleeing the US and squatting on the Mexican estates owned by the rich climate change deniers who bought early.

 

Apparently this has been confirmed by a 400 pound hacker working in a bed in his parent's basement, and Dennison's government paid personal attorney Barr who has summarized literally tens of thousands of pages of scientific evidence and distilled everything into 4 single spaced paragraphs which clearly summarizes that there is no global warming.

[johnu]

Scorching Temperatures Smash Records In U.S., Europe

 

The world just recorded its warmest June ever. A deadly heat wave has been baking much of Europe ― France experiencing its highest temperature on record last week, a blistering 45.9 degrees Celsius (or nearly 115 degrees Fahrenheit). Now, Alaska is enduring what for it is an ongoing heat wave.

Or, as Al_U_Card would say, this is the start of the next ice age. Time to go buy some more thermal underwear and upgrade your winter clothing. I am personally planning to upgrade my house's heating system to have gas, wood burning, electric, and coal heating systems all installed and fully integrated so that my house will be comfortably warm during an ice age winter.

[Winstonm]

I always thought baked Alaska was a dessert, not a desert:

 

Thermometers in Anchorage hit 90 degrees Fahrenheit (about 32 degrees Celsius) for the first time on record this Thursday.

 

The National Weather Service said temperatures around the city were unusually high on the Fourth of July thanks to a massive heat dome that’s settled over Alaska, which has seen more than 30 days in a row of above average temperatures. Readings on Thursday shattered a 50-year-old temperature record set June 14, 1969, when the mercury hit 85 degrees.

[Al_U_Card]

I always thought baked Alaska was a dessert, not a desert:

Guess that just takes the cake! Despite higher temps there in the 1930s, before evil SUVs had their way with the climate. All this despite the fact that the entire continental US has had its coolest and wettest Jan-July evah! Just more alarmist cherry-picking to scare up support with the converted...

[Zelandakh]

Guess that just takes the cake! Despite higher temps there in the 1930s, before evil SUVs had their way with the climate. All this despite the fact that the entire continental US has had its coolest and wettest Jan-July evah! Just more alarmist cherry-picking to scare up support with the converted...

Alaska famously has a historical record temperature of 100F from 1915 but the 1930s? Not so much. Would you care to back yourself up with some data. Which year was warmer than 2016/18 (and 2019 so far)?

[johnu]

Guess that just takes the cake! Despite higher temps there in the 1930s, before evil SUVs had their way with the climate. All this despite the fact that the entire continental US has had its coolest and wettest Jan-July evah! Just more alarmist cherry-picking to scare up support with the converted...

 

Is it beyond your intellect to post a link to whatever noise of the week you are posting in this thread? I won't bother doing a search for more information.

 

BTW, we are talking about global climate change, not continental US climate change. Drier droughts and more problematic weather systems are predicted throughout the world. In other words, extreme weather is the new normal. Nothing about more rainfall in a large, but still relatively local area contradicts anything about climate change. As for coolest Jan-July, post your data links.

[Zelandakh]

Is it beyond your intellect to post a link to whatever noise of the week you are posting in this thread? I won't bother doing a search for more information.

Let me help you with that John. This is the daily temperature record for 2019 in Fairbanks. There are similar records for all 19 weather stations in Alaska, which can be accessed from the home page. In the graphs, red indicates days that are warmer than the average and blue colder.

 

The records seem to be consistent - after a cold snap in early January, temperatures across Alaska have been unusually warm in 2019, including July. Some stations, such as Anchorage, have even recorded new historical high temperatures (90F on July 4th, beating the previous high of 85F from June 14th 1969). Basically, this is an obvious and easily debunked lie from AI - not the first and it certainly will also not be the last.

[Cyberyeti]

Interesting article https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/25/heres-what-happens-when-you-try-to-replicate-climate-contrarian-papers?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0oY0EB93shnF0bwUsSnxzy4sQOFyfmGlx0gET9XoTmZt4EdGWylkWZMsA