Climate change

[Al_U_Card]

The planet has "greened" 7% over the last several decades.

Colder times are drier times (droughts like the perpetual one in Ca. that occurred during the little ice age) and both cause crop failures.

Warmer always coincides with wetter and bumper crops as well as flourishing civilisations although the CO2 does help plants deal with drought.

Now, what was that exact mathematical relationship between [CO2] and global temps or is that only the models that are wrong for some other reason?

[johnu]

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more Yada that failed to stick to the wall :rolleyes:

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Pro-Trump Billionaires Continue To Bankroll Climate Denial

 

Happer, a seasoned climate change denier, left the CO2 Coalition last September to serve as Trump’s deputy assistant for emerging technologies on the National Security Council.

 

Happer has called climate science a “cult,” claimed Earth is in the midst of a ”CO2 famine,” and said the “demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.”

Wow, it's hard to argue with something like that.

[Al_U_Card]

Pro-Trump Billionaires Continue To Bankroll Climate Denial

 

 

Wow, it's hard to argue with something like that.

Yes it is, but you will try ...and fail as usual lol

[Cyberyeti]

Yes it is, but you will try ...and fail as usual lol

 

Your point is ? Most of climate change denial in the world is funded by rich vested interests.

 

Mercer of course is a complete alt-right wing nut "Mercer has said that the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the landmark federal statute arising from the civil rights movement of the 1960s, was a major mistake. In 2017, David Magerman, a former Renaissance employee, alleged in a lawsuit that Mercer had said that African Americans were economically better off before the civil rights movement, that white racists no longer existed in the United States, and that the only racists remaining were black racists." (wikipedia reported from a book on Mercer)

[johnu]

Yes it is, but you will try ...and fail as usual lol

 

Actually, it is nice that you took time out of your day and climbed out of your anti-reality bunker. Thanks for participating.

 

Rising seas slash homes values by nearly $16 billion

 

Owners of coastal properties are getting hit by a rising tide of bad news. Higher sea levels slashed home values in 17 states from Maine to Mississippi by $15.8 billion over a dozen years, according to updated research from the nonprofit First Street Foundation.

How does this happen in a housing market that has been on a strong upswing? Apparently homebuyers are failing to believe climate change deniers who claim that the seacoasts are actually rising, not sinking (Al_U_Card - remind you of anybody :lol:)

 

I suggest home sellers include a link to a climate change denier site in their listings. I'm sure that will convince prospective buyers of low lying property that they are actually getting a house on a hill safely above the waterline.

[Al_U_Card]

Well, Mikey failed too and his Univ. of Az. e-mails have been released after 10 long years of legal wrangling. It will take time to sift through them but it is all pretty disgusting concerning their shenanigans and the promotion of climate change crap.

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/04/climategate-continues-the-mann-hockeystick-university-of-arizona-emails-are-now-public/

[johnu]

Well, Mikey failed too and his Univ. of Az. e-mails have been released after 10 long years of legal wrangling. It will take time to sift through them ...

More Yada

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Having wet dreams over this? :lol:

[Chas_P]

[Al_U_Card]

Eisenhower said that government $$$ leading research was to be gravely regarded.

 

https://www.gao.gov/mobile/key_issues/climate_change_funding_management/issue_summary?fbclid=IwAR16tfaPunFXekOXtIrsFbUSyfoNsx6trDrpoR3bvM6RXR9aSzKdSaWNh6g

[johnu]

 

Are you too lazy to post enough detail that would create interest for anybody to click on your link?

[johnu]

Eisenhower said that government $$$ leading research was to be gravely regarded.

 

https://www.gao.gov/mobile/key_issues/climate_change_funding_management/issue_summary?fbclid=IwAR16tfaPunFXekOXtIrsFbUSyfoNsx6trDrpoR3bvM6RXR9aSzKdSaWNh6g

 

Do you actually have a point you are trying to make?

[y66]

From The Fight to Tame a Swelling River With Dams That May Be Outmatched by Climate Change by Tyler Kelley at NYT:

 

There were no good choices for John Remus, yet he had to choose.

 

Should he try to hold back the surging Missouri River but risk destroying a major dam, potentially releasing a 45-foot wall of water? Or should he relieve the pressure by opening the spillway, purposefully adding to the flooding of towns, homes and farmland for hundreds of miles.

 

Mr. Remus controls an extraordinary machine — the dams built decades ago to tame a river system that drains parts of 10 states and two Canadian provinces. But it was designed for a different era, a time before climate change and the extreme weather it can bring.

 

“It’s human nature to think we are masters of our environment, the lords of creation,” said Mr. Remus, who works for the United States Army Corps of Engineers. But there are limits, he said. And the storm last week that caused him so much trouble was beyond what his network of dams can control.

 

“It was not designed to handle this,” he said.

 

The storm, the “bomb cyclone” that struck the upper Midwest, dumped its rain onto frozen soil, which acted less like dirt and more like concrete. Instead of being absorbed, water from the rain and melted snow raced straight into the Missouri River and its tributaries.

 

Devastating flooding hit Missouri, Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska. Near Omaha, one-third of Offutt Air Force Base was inundated, including a runway. One Missouri River tributary, the Little Sioux River, rose almost 16 feet in one day.

 

And early last Thursday, the Niobrara River smashed through the nearly century-old Spencer Dam while pushing huge chunks of ice downriver. By the end of the day, the Niobrara and other tributaries had filled the reservoir behind the Gavins Point Dam, near Yankton, South Dakota, and Mr. Remus faced his decision.

 

Gavins Point is relatively small, not designed to hold back that kind of inflow. But losing the dam would be catastrophic.

 

To save Gavins Point, he ordered its spillways opened. At its peak, 100,000 cubic feet of water per second, the same as Niagara Falls, poured into a river already surging toward record heights.

 

“We filled up our bucket, and the spigot kept running,” Mr. Remus said. The results of last week’s storm are still evident: As of Wednesday, at least three people had been killed and there were emergency declarations in four states.

 

Few people hold sway over as much water as Mr. Remus, the chief of the Army Corps’ Missouri River Basin Water Management Division. He operates six massive dams that help shape and define a river stretching more than 2,000 miles through the American heartland.

 

His decisions affect the lives of countless communities and ecosystems — the cities, factories and power plants that draw water from the river; the endangered species that nest on its sandbars; the farmers who cultivate its floodplains.

 

Often, their interests conflict. “You’re not going to make them happy,” he said, “but you can provide them with an explanation.”

 

An imposingly large man with a neat mustache, Mr. Remus, 59, grew up in Western Nebraska and speaks deliberately. In his tidy, windowless office in Omaha, the main feature is a tabletop map of roughly half the United States. Over the course of several interviews, he discussed his work and said the Corps had not looked at climate change from a planning perspective.

 

“Scientists say that, in the Missouri Basin, we’ll be spending more time at each end of the spectrum — longer and more severe floods, longer and more severe droughts,” Mr. Remus said. And this year, he had “nothing but bad options.”

 

A 2012 report on climate change in the Missouri River Basin, commissioned by the Bureau of Reclamation (the Corps’ western equivalent) predicted by the middle of this century a roughly 6 percent average annual increase in upper-basin runoff and a bit more than a 10 percent increase in the lower river.

 

The Missouri Basin had more runoff from rain and snow last year than all but two years since record-keeping began in 1898. “Is that normal variation?” he asked, or “are we working our way to a new normal?”

 

“Something’s changing, what that is exactly. …” he said, trailing off.

 

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[Al_U_Card]

They were built decades ago, before population growth brought more people and infrastructure even more into harm's way. Bombogenesis is a meteorological term that refers to the speed and magnitude of a depression's formation. They aren't new nor are they "caused" by GHG especially the anthropogenic 4% of the CO2 that is 5% of GHG. There have been "great" floods before and others will come no matter what. Look at the NOAA data for precip etc over the last century. Thinking we can expect nature to restrain itself for our preferences is wishful indeed

[Cyberyeti]

They were built decades ago, before population growth brought more people and infrastructure even more into harm's way. Bombogenesis is a meteorological term that refers to the speed and magnitude of a depression's formation. They aren't new nor are they "caused" by GHG especially the anthropogenic 4% of the CO2 that is 5% of GHG. There have been "great" floods before and others will come no matter what. Look at the NOAA data for precip etc over the last century. Thinking we can expect nature to restrain itself for our preferences is wishful indeed

 

In the UK, we're getting places that have had 3 once in 150 years events in the last 10 years, it is clearly getting worse. We're not getting more rain, it's just less spread out. It's also made much worse here by pressure of space which is not as much of a problem in the US causing houses to be built on land that previously absorbed flood water, meaning not only that they get flooded, but run off hits the rivers faster and flood downstream.

[Al_U_Card]

In the UK, we're getting places that have had 3 once in 150 years events in the last 10 years, it is clearly getting worse. We're not getting more rain, it's just less spread out. It's also made much worse here by pressure of space which is not as much of a problem in the US causing houses to be built on land that previously absorbed flood water, meaning not only that they get flooded, but run off hits the rivers faster and flood downstream.

Was there not also the issue of the state of your water systems having to meet EU guidelines and not being widened sufficiently to handle increased run-off from increased urban cover? The option of administrative error, incompetence or even malfeasance is also open but often only well-meant.

[johnu]

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More Yada that doesn't stick to the wall

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Mankind can and does change weather patterns. We may not be able to control nature, but we can often influence it to our detriment.

[johnu]

Speaking of climate change,

 

See The Heat Records Broken In Puget Sound This Week

 

On Monday, March 18: A high of 74 degrees in Seattle was the warmest winter day on record, and the earliest day in the year to hit such a high temperature. It was also the third-warmest March day on record.

On Tuesday, March 19: An all-time high record for the day at Sea-Tac when the temperature reached 79 degrees, beating the March, 29, 2004, record of 78 degrees. Seattle hit 77, beating (handily) the old records of 65 set in 1988 and 1998.

On Wednesday, March 20: A record high at Sea-Tac of 79 degrees, breaking the old record of 69 set in 1986. In Seattle, a record high of 78 broke the old record of 68 set in 2010.

Climate change deniers claim this was due to daylight savings time B-) But there are new temperature records, and there are new temperature records. Breaking previous records by 10 and 12 degrees F are pretty memorable records.

[johnu]

Was there not also the issue of the state of your water systems having to meet EU guidelines and not being widened sufficiently to handle increased run-off from increased urban cover? The option of administrative error, incompetence or even malfeasance is also open but often only well-meant.

 

Clearly those EU guidelines have caused record massive flooding in the USA as well. Damn those EU guidelines B-) Or maybe is the trade imbalance that is causing bad European weather to pile up in the USA. I call on Dennison to impose weather tariffs on the UK and the rest of Europe.

 

Spring Floods Threaten Most of Continental US

 

The deluge that devastated so much of the Midwest over the last week could be a preview for one of the worst years for flooding in the United States, according to federal weather officials.

 

First it's record droughts, then record flooding. Why doesn't the weather cooperate and validate the climate change deniers? Apparently the weather gods are liberal :rolleyes:

[Al_U_Card]

Recall that a "once in a hundred year event" can occur more often than that and still be within statistical norms. The qualification is used as a reference more than a prediction.

The precise mathematical relation of our 4% of the 5% of extant GHG and global climate would help to ensure that our tax dollars will be used effectively to control weather and its natural variability.

[Cyberyeti]

Was there not also the issue of the state of your water systems having to meet EU guidelines and not being widened sufficiently to handle increased run-off from increased urban cover? The option of administrative error, incompetence or even malfeasance is also open but often only well-meant.

 

Well nobody's ever raised that as an issue here, and there are plenty of EU bashers who would if it was true.

[hrothgar]

Recall that a "once in a hundred year event" can occur more often than that and still be within statistical norms. The qualification is used as a reference more than a prediction.

The precise mathematical relation of our 4% of the 5% of extant GHG and global climate would help to ensure that our tax dollars will be used effectively to control weather and its natural variability.

 

Just a regular remind that

 

1. Al is a LaRouchie

2. He admits to lying and falsifying information if he things it will help make his point

 

The goal in dealing with the likes of Al is de-platforming, not discussion

[johnu]

Recall that a "once in a hundred year event" can occur more often than that and still be within statistical norms. The qualification is used as a reference more than a prediction.

 

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More Yada cribbed from someplace without context

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The obvious point to most people is that if hundred year events happen every couple of years, it's no longer a hundred year event and you need to reevaluate what's normal weather. You don't have to run a statistical analysis (although you could) to understand this.

[Al_U_Card]

Well nobody's ever raised that as an issue here, and there are plenty of EU bashers who would if it was true.

I recall the "controversy" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3380694/amp/Britain-s-flooding-crisis-worse-EU-Green-Brussels-bureaucrats-banned-river-dredging-allows-water-drain-faster-say-farmers.html

but not if any conclusions were drawn. Maybe it never made the Grauniad?

[Cyberyeti]

I recall the "controversy" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3380694/amp/Britain-s-flooding-crisis-worse-EU-Green-Brussels-bureaucrats-banned-river-dredging-allows-water-drain-faster-say-farmers.html

but not if any conclusions were drawn. Maybe it never made the Grauniad?

 

I never read the Grauniad, it stopped doing any serious journalism years ago, the daily fail is just as bad on the other side and are exactly the sort of people who would bash the EU for this sort of thing.

 

Actually the agency concerned with rivers said that dredging really didn't have a lot of effect and wasn't cost effective, it went back to the same state pretty fast in most cases.

[Chas_P]

Speaking of climate change,

 

See The Heat Records Broken In Puget Sound This Week

 

 

 

 

Climate change deniers claim this was due to daylight savings time B-) But there are new temperature records, and there are new temperature records. Breaking previous records by 10 and 12 degrees F are pretty memorable records.

 

Perhaps you can tell us exactly what the ideal temperature is for every place on Earth every day of the year and what we must do to attain this utopia.