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[Daniel1960]

No, but just because they aren't ultra right fringe doesn't make them left wing. The WS Journal editorials are (ultra) right fringe and the rest of the paper is centrist so it has a split personality. If you exclude the right fringe editorials, the WS Journal is rated at centrist.

 

Media Bias Factcheck rates different news sites.

 

Washington Post and New York Times are rated as Left-Center Bias. I imagine that when you are doing major investigative pieces about Dennison related scandals and law breaking that your mix of stories will fall left of center. Fox Propaganda is rated as Right Bias which is further right than Right-Center Bias. Breitbart is rated under Questionable Sources. Anything rated toward the middle can be considered moderate by definition. As you get further right or left, you are less moderate.

 

Somehow I find it not surprising that you have such a high regard for Breitbart.

 

Other sources rate FOX news as just as right-biased as the Times and Post are left-biased.

 

https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444

 

The other way to look at them is how the political sides view each source. The Times and Post are trusted by the left, but distrusted by the right. Conversely, Fox News is trusted by the right, but distrusted by the left. Interestingly, those in the middle trust all three. Breitbart, the Blade, and The Drudge Report are less trusted by the middle, as are the Huffington Post, Mother Jones and Politico.

 

http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/pj_14-10-21_mediapolarization-01/

 

I do not know how you can utter high regard and Breitbart in the same sentence. Maybe it is just another of your crazy ideas. Perhaps you have just as high regard as Politico.

[Daniel1960]

Not to worry - there has been lots of cover for you in that aspect. ;)

 

(Ex: New York Times and Breitbart are equivalent news sources)

 

Yeah, well johnu seems to have high respect for Breitbart. The rest of us tend to disregard its stories.

[johnu]

I do not know how you can utter high regard and Breitbart in the same sentence.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Hmmm, you seem to have caught Dennison's dementia or you have forgot again that things you post on the internet can be looked up and retrieved.

 

You are the one who equated Breitbart with the NY Times, Washington Post (and Fox).

 

Which is probably the main reason that people should not believe propaganda, especially articles appearing in the Guardian, on FOX News, NPR, Breitbart, The Times, Post, Blaze, etc.

[Daniel1960]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Hmmm, you seem to have caught Dennison's dementia or you have forgot again that things you post on the internet can be looked up and retrieved.

 

You are the one who equated Breitbart with the NY Times, Washington Post (and Fox).

 

So you think the mere mention of the two in the same sentences translates into equating them to one another? That certainly explains a lot.

[johnu]

So you think the mere mention of the two in the same sentences translates into equating them to one another? That certainly explains a lot.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Winstonm]

Just for the sake of sanity: "people should not believe propaganda, especially articles appearing in the Guardian, on FOX News, NPR, Breitbart, The Times, Post, Blaze, etc" is a statement of equivalency.

 

Johnu did not make this statement. If the shoe fits, you're missing a shoe.

[Daniel1960]

Just for the sake of sanity: "people should not believe propaganda, especially articles appearing in the Guardian, on FOX News, NPR, Breitbart, The Times, Post, Blaze, etc" is a statement of equivalency.

 

Johnu did not make this statement. If the shoe fits, you're missing a shoe.

 

If you think that comparing the political slants of those outlets is the same as equivalency, then so be it. Personally, I think it is a stretch, but people tend believe stretches in their favor, and disregard those against. Just like Johnu think that papers supporting his viewpoint are mainstream. Readers of the aforementioned papers probably feel the same. People like to think they are mainstream, rather than wingers.

[hrothgar]

If you think that comparing the political slants of those outlets is the same as equivalency, then so be it. Personally, I think it is a stretch, but people tend believe stretches in their favor, and disregard those against. Just like Johnu think that papers supporting his viewpoint are mainstream. Readers of the aforementioned papers probably feel the same. People like to think they are mainstream, rather than wingers.

 

 

Google the expression "Newspaper of Record"

See what shows up.

 

Sure as hell ain't Breitbart

[johnu]

If you think that comparing the political slants of those outlets is the same as equivalency, then so be it.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Winstonm]

My guess is that Richard's suggestion will not penetrate the haze, so I took it upon myself to find this.

 

The United States is considered by some to have at least four national newspapers of record:

 

The New York Times

The Wall Street Journal

The Los Angeles Times

The Washington Post

[Cyberyeti]

My guess is that Richard's suggestion will not penetrate the haze, so I took it upon myself to find this.

 

This does change over time though and which ones are credible don't always get updated.

 

In the UK, the Guardian has degenerated from a left of centre newspaper of record to a pretty horrible rag that produces "An unnamed unverifiable source says the Conservative government eats babies" type stories. These lists are not static.

 

The UK press is in a pretty horrible state. To me the Times and the Independent are the only ones left really, the Sun, Mail, Express on the right and Mirror and Guardian on the left are a joke, the Telegraph is fairly well to the right but borderline.

[Winstonm]

This does change over time though and which ones are credible don't always get updated.

 

In the UK, the Guardian has degenerated from a left of centre newspaper of record to a pretty horrible rag that produces "An unnamed unverifiable source says the Conservative government eats babies" type stories. These lists are not static.

 

The UK press is in a pretty horrible state. To me the Times and the Independent are the only ones left really, the Sun, Mail, Express on the right and Mirror and Guardian on the left are a joke, the Telegraph is fairly well to the right but borderline.

 

If you had read the linked article, it says pretty much the same thing - and it points out that not even the best is immune from errors, sometimes quite dramatic errors such as the NYT coverage of the intelligence concerning the Iraq war buildup.

[johnu]

When it comes down to science vs propaganda, I prefer the science side.

 

Speaking of science related things, there was this about the global warming denier commander in chief

 

Hannity Guest: Science Proves Dennison Is The ‘Most Sound-Minded’ President Ever

 

If Dennison really is a stable genius, I may have to rethink my support of global warming. B-)

[Al_U_Card]

Speaking of science related things, there was this about the global warming denier commander in chief

 

Hannity Guest: Science Proves Dennison Is The ‘Most Sound-Minded’ President Ever

 

If Dennison really is a stable genius, I may have to rethink my support of global warming. B-)

He is smarter than a horse? (Or more like a part of their anatomy...lol). Rethinking is good, especially when you look at the data and see that reality is not a computer model.

[y66]

I just got in from walking my dog. It's 9:48 PM EDT and quite dark. Also, somewhat cooler than this afternoon. We passed a neighbor who was gardening in her front yard. That was a first.

[johnu]

Is global warming responsible for this???

 

Rush Limbaugh falsely claims Hurricane Florence is full of sharks

 

Reporters are being too hard on Rush. I know I have a shark damage rider on my house insurance to cover me in case a shark falling from the sky damages the roof of my house.

[PeterAlan]

Is global warming responsible for this???

 

Rush Limbaugh falsely claims Hurricane Florence is full of sharks

 

Reporters are being too hard on Rush. I know I have a shark damage rider on my house insurance to cover me in case a shark falling from the sky damages the roof of my house.

Are you aware of this house?

[Al_U_Card]

Interesting view of interglacials and their inception/termination over at https://judithcurry.com/2018/09/08/beyond-milankovitch/ .

 

Seems like dust from cold-induced desertification lowers ice albedo and abets orbital insolation in warming the planet and ending the glaciation. Inter-glacials may end when increased CO2 (from warmer oceans, NOT SUVs) reverses desertification, lowering dust and increasing ice albedo thereby helping orbital eccentricity plunge the planet back into glacial cold.

The current inter-glacial is the longest in the geological record and perhaps human dust and soot generation is part of the reason....

[johnu]

An Alaskan village is falling into the sea. Washington is looking the other way.

 

Why are these Alaskans trying to make Dennison and the Republicans look bad? :rolleyes:

[Al_U_Card]

Speaking of inter-glacials, the Younger-Dryas boundary is a most interesting phenomenon. Coming out of the last ice age about 12,600 years ago, global temperatures rose about 12 degrees C over 50 years or so (as they had numerous times before) when suddenly and unusually (as in never before seen in the paleo record) global temperatures plunged 9 degrees for a period of about 600 years. This coincided with the extinction of ALL of the mega-fauna in North America. The disappearance of the Clovis people that inhabited the region as well. It also resulted in the formation of the multitude of "Carolina bays" throughout the southeast. (An elliptical depression, axially oriented to the northwest, usually filled with a peat bog or a lake.)

Recent evidence points to a meteorite strike on or above the receding ice sheet that caused the significant global cooling.

No SUV's were seen or hurt, at that time...

[Winstonm]

https://www.axios.com/how-much-earth-has-warmed-since-hansen-testified-b6f8fdb4-484e-477f-b8b6-6ee320994dc0.html

[johnu]

Dennison Insists ‘Raking’ Will Help Stop Forest Fires; Twitter Reels

 

It's not global warming that caused the California's devastating fires, it was lack of raking. :lol:

 

As some twitter users pointed out, California was also negligent because it doesn't have has much marshland and snow as Norway.

 

And then there is this:

 

Twitter Users Baffled By Dennison's ‘Great Climate’ Promise During Wildfire Tour

 

fter witnessing the devastation inflicted on the community of Paradise, Dennison on Saturday was asked by reporters whether his opinion on climate change had been altered.

 

“No. No. I have a strong opinion: I want great climate, we’re going to have that,” he replied.

 

I'm reassured. Goodbye global warming. Your president has decreed great climate :lol:

[Al_U_Card]

Here comes the cold... we're gonna hafta get a few more SUV's on the road...

 

[johnu]

Here comes the cold... we're gonna hafta get a few more SUV's on the road...

 

Based on your extensive scientific background in climatology B-), what is your prediction for worldwide temperatures in 2019, just for the record?

[Al_U_Card]

Based on your extensive scientific background in climatology B-), what is your prediction for worldwide temperatures in 2019, just for the record?

That value will depend on the amount of the adjustments made to the measurements. It will definitely be less than the "projections" of the CMIP5 models. Should you go looking, be aware that Google is now "up-rating" RealClimate and even, ugh, SkepticalScience in search results so that warmist views and interpretations get prominence. Nothing to do with reality, just like the IPCC et al.