Climate change

[PassedOut]

Their results are based upon modeled ice loss forecasted due to warming waters. NASA has data on the actual growth of Antarctic sea ice. So yes, this is not the last word on the matter.

 

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

Thanks for the link, which makes perfectly clear the need to get emissions under control.

 

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

So the gain was slowing between 1992 and 2008. The last I looked, we've reached the year 2016.

 

If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate theyve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I dont think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.

Or sooner, but the trend is clear. As you've made clear once again, only the most irresponsible people now deny that action must be taken to slow emissions.

[Al_U_Card]

To what extent will those reductions reduce global temperatures? How much reduction by the west is needed to counteract the ever-increasing emissions of the Chinese? Why are they not "concerned". (In both meanings of the word.)

Praying for divine intervention would be almost as effective and much less expensive...

[Al_U_Card]

Using RCP 8.5 without specifying its need to ensure alarming results is at the heart of the matter. Apparently, imaginary tripling of CO2 effect on water vapour (the real ghg) is still not enough to generate the fear required.

[PassedOut]

Daniel's favorite, Nasa, is in the news again: Melting ice sheets changing the way the Earth wobbles on its axis, says Nasa

 

Since 2003, Greenland has lost on average more than 272 trillion kilograms of ice a year, and that affects the way the Earth wobbles in a manner similar to a figure skater lifting one leg while spinning, said Nasa scientist Eirk Ivins, the study’s co-author.

 

On top of that, West Antarctica loses 124 trillion kgs of ice and East Antarctica gains about 74 trillion kgs of ice yearly, helping tilt the wobble further, Ivins said.

 

They all combine to pull polar motion toward the east, Adhikari said.

And they all combine to push sea levels higher and higher.

[Al_U_Card]

Not to mentiom the adjusments to the SLR that take it from the 1.7 mm/yr to that whopping 3.2 which comes in at less than a foot by 2100....oh noes!

A quick glance at holocene SLR puts the whole thing in proper perspective.

[Daniel1960]

Thanks for the link, which makes perfectly clear the need to get emissions under control.

 

 

So the gain was slowing between 1992 and 2008. The last I looked, we've reached the year 2016.

 

 

Or sooner, but the trend is clear. As you've made clear once again, only the most irresponsible people now deny that action must be taken to slow emissions.

 

Yes, the Arctic is currently loosing ice mass faster than Antarctica is gain ice mass. The questions is much longer this trend can be maintained.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=glacial+mass+gain+antarctica+image&biw=1600&bih=731&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi50JiK_YHMAhXjm4MKHUZeANUQsAQIGw#imgrc=sWze5UFN4mDNpM%3A

[blackshoe]

Hm. Will the shift of ice mass from north to south eventually cause a catastrophic reversal of the orientation of the poles? :o :P

[Zelandakh]

Hm. Will the shift of ice mass from north to south eventually cause a catastrophic reversal of the orientation of the poles? :o :P

Only if a large amount of research funding money is being offered to demonstrate that that is the case. :blink:

[PassedOut]

Big day tomorrow: How Earth itself has dramatically upped the stakes for the Paris climate accord

 

The first three months of 2016 have been the hottest ever recorded, and by a large margin. Greenland’s massive ice sheet melted more this spring than researchers have ever seen. Warming seas are turning once-majestic coral reefs into ghostly underwater graveyards. And scientists are warning that sea levels could rise far faster than anyone expected by the end of the century, with severe impacts for coastal communities around the globe.

 

That grim drumbeat of news will loom over the United Nations on Friday — Earth Day — when officials from more than 150 countries gather to sign a landmark agreement aimed at slashing global greenhouse gas emissions and slowing the warming of the planet.

 

It simultaneously will be a moment of understandable celebration and sobering reality.

The first step, even if a small one...

[Al_U_Card]

How much ghg did those "officials" generate by their pointless presence? Won't somebody think of the planet! (Use Skype or since we will soon have to rely on "renewables" perhaps a message in a bottle will have to do....)

[y66]

Humans Are Not Like Slowly Boiling Frogs … We Are Like Slowly Boiling Brainless Frogs by Joe Romm.

 

http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/frogs.gif

[Al_U_Card]

Interesting if somewhat fallacious analogy to being told the sky is falling and when it doesn't today, accepting the answer of tomorrow....every day thereafter.

 

Computer models, climate ignorance and guilt. One heck of a combo.

[Al_U_Card]

On the eve of Climate Hustle's one-day movie debut, here is Marc Morano, up close and personal.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_crkSnRa4o&app=desktop

[y66]

Climate scientists are now grading climate journalism

 

While the internet puts information at our fingertips, it has also allowed misinformation to sow doubt and confusion in the minds of many of those whose opinions and votes will determine the future of the planet. And up to now scientists have been on the back foot in countering the spread of this misinformation and pointing the public to trustworthy sources of information on climate change.

 

Climate Feedback intends to change that. It brings together a global network of scientists who use a new web-annotation platform to provide feedback on climate change reporting.

[Al_U_Card]

It brings together a global network of scientists who use a new web-annotation platform to provide feedback on climate change reporting.

 

Sounds like a conspiracy to me..... lol

 

Now if only they could spend some time on making models that could actually replicate past, present or (hopefully) future climate conditions with even minimal precision and accuracy.

 

"Any theory that doesn't agree with observation (experimentation) is WRONG." Richard P. Feynman

[Al_U_Card]

Giving new meaning to "quality" control.

 

http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016-05-09052912.png

 

 

Worse yet, those 2001 values had already been "quality" controlled in much the same way....cool the past and warm the present.

[Zelandakh]

Giving new meaning to "quality" control.

I quite agree! Realclimatescience (from geology graduate Steven Goddard) is one of the few sceptical sites to attract heavy critiscism even from within the sceptic community, with, for example, theunhivedmind describing a piece he did on sea levels as "misinformation". The same holds true with his specific claims regarding temperaure manipulation, with Anthony Watts simply saying he is "wrong". Politifact went further rating the claims "pants on fire". It was good of you to post this with the appropriate warning regarding the "quality" of the data. From past experiece, I might have expected you to treat the graph as meaningful. :lol:

[Al_U_Card]

SG cherry-picks to make his point(s) that you cannot trust the climate science establishment. From Santer's coercion of the 1995 SPM to totally reverse the actual science to say that there was an attribution footprint,to the reality of climate refugees (there aren't any) to Hansen's latest rant, man's influence on climate is minor and specific. CO2 is of little consequence and is certainly not the driver that man can use to adjust the weather, despite the establishment's concerted continuous attempts to do so.

Every time you look behind the curtain, nothing is as they pretend.

[Zelandakh]

SG cherry-picks

I hope you would join me in denouncing those on both sides that cherry pick in this way. It is not science and has no place in the debate.

[diana_eva]

Hrothgar cool off pls.

[Al_U_Card]

I hope you would join me in denouncing those on both sides that cherry pick in this way. It is not science and has no place in the debate.

I heartily concur. One of the starting points and problems with the "debate" such as it is. What most alarmists hype is just that, alarmist hype. RCP 8.5 scenarios full of so much conjecture and far-fetched conditions as to make them worthless, without it, well, it's just not alarming enough.

Reading Climate etc. and Climate audit are breaths of fresh air and most illuminating concerning the factual presentation of most climate science.

A lot of good will from many well-intentioned people is being wasted on what is at best a fool's errand and at worst a total waste of time and energy (As far as altering planetary climate is concerned.)

[hrothgar]

I hope you would join me in denouncing those on both sides that cherry pick in this way. It is not science and has no place in the debate.

 

Back in a previous incarnation of the threat, Al-U-Card openly admitted to deliberately posting information that he knew to be false and that he was justified in doing so because the warmists lie all the time.

 

Why would expect anything better from him?

[Winstonm]

This must be natural causes? And this has nothing to do with it?

[PassedOut]

April breaks global temperature record, marking seven months of new highs

 

April 2016 was the hottest April on record globally and the seventh month in a row to have broken global temperature records.

 

The latest figures smashed the previous record for April by the largest margin ever recorded.

 

It makes three months in a row that the monthly record has been broken by the largest margin ever, and seven months in a row that are at least 1C above the 1951-80 mean for that month. When the string of record-smashing months started in February, scientists began talking about a climate emergency.

 

Figures released by Nasa over the weekend show the global temperature of land and sea was 1.11C warmer in April than the average temperature for April during the period 1951-1980.

 

It all but assures that 2016 will be the hottest year on record, and probably by the largest margin ever.

So it turns out that if we trap more and more heat, the earth gets hotter and hotter. What a surprise!

B-)

[Daniel1960]

This must be natural causes? And this has nothing to do with it?

 

Yes, I had been discussing this elsewhere. Apparently, the Guardian (and others) have run with this story under the auspices that it was cause by climate change. The author of the study, Dr., Simon Albert, says this, "largely misinterprets the science." Small islands are constantly surfacing and submerging due to factors completely unrelated to climate change. Several other islands have been negatively impacted by overdevelopment. I guess this could fall under the recently-discussed cherry picking issue of focusing on only those few islands submerged.