eightah Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Played this hand today in GIB tournamentE/W Vul, N/S nonvulE Gib opened 2SI bid 3S (michaels promising 5H + 5 unspecified minor. We are non-vul so gib should know I must have points as well as distribution Full bidding: 2S - 3S - 4S - *(by my Gib) P - P - PExplanation highlighted for my Gib dbl says only 4-8 hcp, nothing about distribution Hand result - 4S making 5My Gib is holding a 6 cd H suit headed by the KJ, and also has the AS.The double under this circumstance makes NO SENSE at all, since bot can compute that we have 11 cd H fit, and no defensive tricks.There may be better ways I could have bid my hand - but surely the GIB is in error! Hands are as follows:E: KJ9864,10, A1084, 92S: - , AQ874, QJ3, AQ876W: Q7532, 5, K65, KJ103N: A10, KJ9632, 972, 54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 GIB did not read your bid as Michaels:[hv=myhand=M-3980920-1289313901]400|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightah Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 What did it think 3S was? Surely not a long spade suit? Why did it dbl 4S? Cant be asking me to bid-when it has a clear suit preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Bear Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 What did it think 3S was? Surely not a long spade suit? Why did it dbl 4S? Cant be asking me to bid-when it has a clear suit preference. It took your 3♠ as 19+ points, nothing about distribution. With a total partnership holding of 27+ HCP, GIB doubled for penalty assuming that opps were never going to make 4♠ with only 13 HCP. Look at what GIB takes your bid to mean by letting your mouse hover over the bid before you click on it if you are not sure. Click on your 3♠ bid in bradley's hand diagram above to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 "Total points" includes distribution, so it wasn't expecting them to have only 13hcp. Still, I suspect it took you for a strong hand asking for a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 So, I see two questions here: (1) Should GIB's system be changed to recognize 3♠ as Michaels? Either way, GIB's system notes should be improved to indicate when Michaels applies and when it doesn't, regardless of the fact that you can mouse-over prospective bids before making them. (2) Did GIB run simulations to determine that double was better than 5♥, or was this a logic-based decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Explanation highlighted for my Gib dbl says only 4-8 hcp, nothing about distributionThe explanation shown in the hand record here is "6+ total points". Did the system really tell you 4-8 HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (1) Should GIB's system be changed to recognize 3♠ as Michaels? Probably not. Although it shouldn't be "19+ any shape" either. Most decent players use 3♠ as a spade stopper ask for 3nt, holding a strong running minor and some outside (non-spade) tricks. 4m is used to show two-suiters holding the other major. (2♦)-3♦ is probably both majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Played this hand today in GIB tournamentE/W Vul, N/S nonvulE Gib opened 2SI bid 3S (michaels promising 5H + 5 unspecified minor. We are non-vul so gib should know I must have points as well as distribution Full bidding: 2S - 3S - 4S - *(by my Gib) P - P - PExplanation highlighted for my Gib dbl says only 4-8 hcp, nothing about distribution Hand result - 4S making 5My Gib is holding a 6 cd H suit headed by the KJ, and also has the AS.The double under this circumstance makes NO SENSE at all, since bot can compute that we have 11 cd H fit, and no defensive tricks.There may be better ways I could have bid my hand - but surely the GIB is in error! Hands are as follows:E: KJ9864,10, A1084, 92S: - , AQ874, QJ3, AQ876W: Q7532, 5, K65, KJ103N: A10, KJ9632, 972, 54Well it shouldn't have made (one loser in each suit but given you were playing with a GIB- no surprise it made. 5 H has no play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Well it shouldn't have made (one loser in each suit but given you were playing with a GIB- no surprise it made. 5 H has no play.It always makes with a diamond lead. S gets squeezed in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted November 10, 2010 Report Share Posted November 10, 2010 Logically you should lead a heart assuming GIB has Kx or x and then say stupid GIB as opener can't have 5+ hearts. Then try Ace of clubs and another hoping for a ruff. The when GIB gets in surely it leads a diamond. As always GIB has no good logic- if you have 6Hearts, they are probably worth zero or one trick in defence so even if you believe the cue is 19 Total points then you have to bid hearts. Partner has another long suit worth one trick in defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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