The dreaded 2cl opener

[pirate22]

Scenario-------Top Level teams match,things near the end 3/4/ boards to play,and you hold.one can assume the match quite close

teams opps red ----you n/v and you are dealer

 

You hold Void--AKJ109652--AK--AJ5 do we all agree this is a 2cl opener,if so

 

Bidding--- 2cl--2sp--x--4sp.

your bid?????????

 

In sequential suit order i offer these bids,but when you reply need an explanation blackwood /Rkc,or anything else

Cue bid,etc etc

Pass-Double-4n/t-5cl-5d-5hts-5sp-6cl-6d-6hts-6sp-6n/t and upwards.

REMEMBER THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS TOP LINE----------when a few answers come in will reveal the final answer,firm promise---this actually occured :):) regards

[kenrexford]

5♥?

[Bbradley62]

6♥. But maybe that's why I don't play top-level team matches :P

[dcohio]

Depends on what your agreement of the double was after 2♣-(2♠). Stronger/weaker than pass? Does it guarantee 4 hearts? Does it guarantee values?

[mike777]

5h I assume x by pard is negative response...pass=pos.

[wyman]

5h I assume x by pard is negative response...pass=pos.

 

haha I read this the first time as "pass = p.o.s." and was confused :)

[Fluffy]

I wouldn't open 2♣ but this time it is reasonable.

 

My top team has no agreement towards what double means obviously, and then I have to guess, my guess is to bid 7♥

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I agree with Mike.

 

The agreement I have is that Responder's DBL is like an "immediate 2nd-negative" = no A, no K and or 2 Q's.

It is the weakest action....

 

... whereas a Responder PASS = forcing ( since 2C ostensibly put you in a GF auction ) showing at least an A or K or 2 Q's but no 5+card suit w/2 of the top 3 honors.

[wank]

if the double of 2S showed any negative i'l bid 4nt then 5H which shows a good 5H bid.

 

if the double of 2S showed a double negative i'll just bid 5H - might miss slam but if we take the invitational route there's no way for partner to know the Q of D is toilet paper and the Q of C is good.

[the hog]

if the double of 2S showed any negative i'l bid 4nt then 5H which shows a good 5H bid.

 

if the double of 2S showed a double negative i'll just bid 5H - might miss slam but if we take the invitational route there's no way for partner to know the Q of D is toilet paper and the Q of C is good.

 

Well for most this would show a 2 suiter, not a good H suit.

If the x is -ve, I just bid 5H.

[pirate22]

Good----- the replies are bearing fruit.....but i would add if one opens 2clubs and next opponent comes in as described 2spades-----------Partner surely bids--- PASS with Zero points,and if pard had a positive, he would bid a suit,having given this input,beware he has not bid a suit,so think on, what does his x mean,without any specific arrangements,and the next opp raises 2spades to 4 spades,in the red position.

trust your partner he knows you have a good opener {2cl}it may be a bagger or a 2 suited hand :)

i will let this problem go for another 24 hours,and reveal all,when revealed,discuss this with your various partners,and think along the lines of picking up 800 penalty, as to a non vuln slam on/off ? either in cl/d/hts/n/t,in ascending order.

[mike777]

Good----- the replies are bearing fruit.....but i would add if one opens 2clubs and next opponent comes in as described 2spades-----------Partner surely bids--- PASS with Zero points,and if pard had a positive, he would bid a suit,having given this input,beware he has not bid a suit,so think on, what does his x mean,without any specific arrangements,and the next opp raises 2spades to 4 spades,in the red position.

trust your partner he knows you have a good opener {2cl}it may be a bagger or a 2 suited hand :)

i will let this problem go for another 24 hours,and reveal all,when revealed,discuss this with your various partners,and think along the lines of picking up 800 penalty, as to a non vuln slam on/off ? either in cl/d/hts/n/t,in ascending order.

 

 

 

 

NO!

 

If I am sitting with a true top team with no discussion then partner will x withzero points.....not PAss.

 

 

 

"B. Competition After Our Two-Club Opening

 

If two clubs is overcalled, responder’s double shows double-negative strength and a pass is forcing. Opener’s double of the overcall shows a balanced hand.

 

There is no agreement about responder’s actions after two clubs is doubled.

 

After a negative response to two clubs and an overcall,

(a) opener’s pass is forcing;

 

(B) opener’s double is for penalty."

[pooltuna]

just call 5♥...this assumes that partner's X is a bust showing call(i.e. no A or K) and holding the Q♦ is only 1/3

[phil_20686]

i would bid 6h. two little hearts and one of the K or Q of clubs does not seem too much to ask after his pass. While grand might be odds on, i am happy to reach small when opps ahve competed to the 4 level. Could bid 4N-6H which shows a good hand for this I think and a genuine grand try, that might fetch grand when partner has the KQ clubs.

 

Alkso, if i bid 6h confidently, they might bid 6s when its wrong.

[pirate22]

well interesting-i chose the path and passed 4 spades--leave it up to partner................

he doubled pass pass 5 hts no go--6 hts even worse....nothing works

pards hand Qxxxx-void--AKxxxx--xxxx.

[Fluffy]

I never get good results with my 5064 hands, obviously our best fit is in my void O_o.

[Siegmund]

Responder X for a bust is a common agreement, which I would expect if a good partner did this without discussion.

 

More generally, I expect my side to be in a forcing pass auction anytime I open 2C. (I don't know how common of an agreement this is - I think it SHOULD be common, but I wouldn't bet on it with a good unknown.)

 

I see very little chance for slam, and on these cards understand the immediate 5H. But there's no harm in passing now and seeing what partner does. Perhaps I am willing to gamble six if he bids 5C; perhaps I leave it if he doubles 4S for penalty. Not so much because I am excited about defending -- but if I had say 0-7-2-4 instead of 0-8-2-3, I would definitely want to see if partner warns me away from attempting the 5-level.

[phil_20686]

 

You hold Void--AKJ109652--AK--AJ5 do we all agree this is a 2cl opener,if so

 

Bidding--- 2cl--2sp--x--4sp.

your bid?????????

 

 

 

pards hand Qxxxx-void--AKxxxx--xxxx.

 

These hands might fit better if they didnt have AK in the same suit. Also. why did he not bid 3d over 2s with AKxxxx?

[Finch]

if the double of 2S showed any negative i'l bid 4nt then 5H which shows a good 5H bid.

 

if the double of 2S showed a double negative i'll just bid 5H - might miss slam but if we take the invitational route there's no way for partner to know the Q of D is toilet paper and the Q of C is good.

 

What's the difference between 4NT...5H and pass followed by 5H?