dcohio Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 [hv=pc=n&s=s6hq2dakt5432c732&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1n(15-17)p2n(xfer%20to%20Diamonds)p3c(max%2C%20Qxx%20or%20better)p4c(keycard%20for%20D)p4n(2key%20+%20Q)p]133|200[/hv] So far I know 10 of partners 17 (2 aces + Q♦), what's your next call? Pass, 5♦, 6♦ all are viable. Is there a better way to find out about the heart situation? Worst case scenario is AKQ♠ Jx♥, Qxx♦, AJ♣ and the slam has no play on a ♥ lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Don't we also have a potential problem in clubs. For me a key-card ask was ill-conceived with two suits without any control. I am not sure of your methods so it is hard to suggest what would be better. For me on similar starts to the auction I can bid 3♠ to show my shortage there and thus allow partner to judge how well the hands fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 If you bid keycard is because you have no problems and are gonna bid 6 if only one is missing, so your torubles are over. Obviously bidding something more constructive like showing spade shortness would have involved partner more and create better results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 what on earth were we doing, using keycard when the response doesn't tell us where we want to play the hand???? And why assume he holds 17? I assume 3♣ showed a liking for diamonds, but to require 17 for that acceptance seems contrary to normal practice....a good 16 should surely suffice? I think the problem is that most who play these transfers use 3♠ over 3♣ as forward-going, with spade shortness, thus allowing partner to use his judgement. I am going to bid a quiet 5♦....and hope it makes. As for your 'wrost case scenario' you either have a limited imagination or you are extremely lucky in your partner's choices of hands. There are a huge range of hands on which slam ranges from hopeless to poor. AQx Kxxx QJx AJx is a control-rich maximum acceptance of diamonds, and it won't take a heart lead to beat you. AKx AKx QJxx xxx is a control rich maximum on which even 5♦ will fail on a club lead. Note that both of these hands would play in a sensible 3N after you show spade shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 If you cannot decide after partner told you detailed keycard information, you must've bid wrong in earlier rounds. Actually it took me a while to realize 4♣ was keycard asking, which I would never have thought of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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