Scottish Cup

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=sat86hakqda7542cj&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1dp1np2dpp?]133|200|Teams (imps). Acol (but this is more a question of judgement than system).

Q1. What would you have done over 1N?

Q2. What would you do now?

[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=sk975h86da86ca864&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=pp1d1hd2h3d3H?]133|200|Teams (imps). Still Acol. (but this is another question of judgement).

Q3. Would you pass as dealer?

Q4. What would you do now?[/hv]

Sorry, I'm told that RHO bid 3♥ before you could on the second hand (changed above)

Edited October 23, 2010 by nige1

[gnasher]

On the first one it could easily be right to pass throughout, but I hate missing games.

 

I'd bid 2♠ on the second round. If partner has five-card support he'll probably raise; if he has only four we're probably high enough; if he has three we probably won't be doubled, because trumps will be 3-3 and the opponents have very few quick tricks.

 

 

On the second one, I'd like to be playing a style where this is an opening bid. If, however, you need a balanced 12-count to open, this isn't good enough. The aces are nice, but that doesn't quite make up for the lack of tens.

 

Now I'd bid 3♥, planning to pass 3NT if partner bids it. Six diamonds, one club, one heart and one other trick seem likely. 5♦ is probably making too, but maybe there will be three losers.

Edited October 23, 2010 by gnasher

[mr1303]

1) Pass, hoping a make a take-out double of a club contract

 

2) Umm and ahh about it, probably bidding 2S, but being tempted to pass.

 

3) Yes, unless I have specifically agreed 11-14 NTs

 

4) I bid 3H, looking for a heart stopper for NT. If partner doesn't bid 3NT I let 4D go.

[nige1]

Apologies to Gnasher and Mr303, I'm told that RHO bid 3♥ on the second hand before you could. Sorry- I've edited the original post, accordingly.

[mtvesuvius]

1) Agree with the First Pass -- Maybe it will go 2C-P-P back to me

2) I'll try 2♠ now, but not too happy about it.

3) No, two sticks and a King with 4 Spades... Definitely opening this.

4) I'll double now... DSIP, I am happy with whatever partner's decision may be... 4♦ seems to be committing on going past a possible 3N contract, and anything else seems hopeless.

[Fluffy]

Q1&Q2: pass & pass, I don't like diamonds overruffed in 2♠

 

Q3: opening or not is close and I don't mind either action

 

Q4: Now I think double is obvious.

[paulg]

I'll go against the field on the first problem and double 1NT. Having passed then I agree with gnasher that 2♠ looks a fair bet now.

 

The second hand looks like a normal (11)12-14 1NT opener to me. Having failed to open I agree that double looks best now.

[gnasher]

On the second one, over 3♥, I'd bid 3♠, which obviously (?) shows the sort of hand that would have bid 3♥ until Nigel changed the auction. Given that 3♠ is available, double should be a less offensive hand.

[rhm]

Q1: I would double, which should always be oriented to the unbid majors in this sequence but stronger and less distributional than 2♦. After Pass you can say good bye to game. After DBL the bidding might go (1♦) Pa (1NT) DBL (2♦) 3M (Pa) 4M

Q2: I still double. Partner is marked with cards in the majors. 2♠ puts all your eggs in one basket.

Q3: I agree with Pass

Q4: 5♦. Partner can raise with a good hand and a ♥ control. Anything else only muddies the waters. DBL may be competitive here, but your third ♦ argues against it and DBL will frequently end the auction. Down one after a struggle, when 5 or 6♦ was cold. Partner might have ♠ AQ ♥ Ax ♦ Kxxxxxx ♣ xx

 

 

Rainer Herrmann

[phil_20686]

I would pass out 2d in a shot. Agree that dble of 1N is t/o major orientated, but I am young and partner likely to overcall 1M on complete junk if he has a 5 card major. Hoping to hit an 8 count with a 4-4 spade fit and make game when diamonds are being overruffed seems tenous to me. Happy to collect 50's. I think if you doubled the first time there is a real danger that partner is long in clubs. Over 2d he is in a pre-protect position, and we know he i short, so he doesnt not need many HCP to enter the auction.

 

On the other one over 3H I think that one should play some kinda lebensohl on this sequence, so that a direct 3d either shows or denies extra values. I dont like dble here though, too likely to concede 3hx=. Sometimes you just gotta pass and take your lemons when you could have made 3N or 5d. Dble puts a lot of pressure on partners 3rd seat diamond opener and you could easily go for 3 or 5 in 4dx when 3h wasn't making. say partner has opened: Qxx Kx KQTxxx xx, Or Jx Qx KQJxxx Kxx etc etc. Just too likely bidding is turning a positive into a minus unless 3d promises extras.

[phil_20686]

On the second one, over 3♥, I'd bid 3♠, which obviously (?) shows the sort of hand that would have bid 3♥ until Nigel changed the auction. Given that 3♠ is available, double should be a less offensive hand.

 

agree with this but would not put partner under that kind pressure unless I was sure he would understand

[pooltuna]

q1)pass

q2)X and pass over 3♣

q3)no but I open all 11 point hands. Playing with a pickup I would pass

q4)if partner is looking alert I would call 3♠ suggesting 3NT with a ♥ stopper ...this can't show more than 4 or you would have called 1♠/1♥ it also needs to show ♦ tolerance.

 

Not sure I understand the edit. If RHO bid 3♥ over 1♦ then this is an auto -X assuming you are playing them this high and a penalty X otherwise.

[nige1]

q1)pass

q2)X and pass over 3♣

q3)no but I open all 11 point hands. Playing with a pickup I would pass

q4)if partner is looking alert I would call 3♠ suggesting 3NT with a ♥ stopper ...this can't show more than 4 or you would have called 1♠/1♥ it also needs to show ♦ tolerance.

Not sure I understand the edit. If RHO bid 3♥ over 1♦ then this is an auto -X assuming you are playing them this high and a penalty X otherwise.

I asked South and she says double would be more for penalty than takeout -- denying ♦ support.

On the second one, over 3♥, I'd bid 3♠, which obviously (?) shows the sort of hand that would have bid 3♥ until Nigel changed the auction. Given that 3♠ is available, double should be a less offensive hand.

I think 3♠ is the master-bid but when I tried out the vote-up facility, I got quota exceeded. :(

Q1: I would double, which should always be oriented to the unbid majors in this sequence but stronger and less distributional than 2♦. After Pass you can say good bye to game. After DBL the bidding might go (1♦) Pa (1NT) DBL (2♦) 3M (Pa) 4M

Q2: I still double. Partner is marked with cards in the majors. 2♠ puts all your eggs in one basket.

Q3: I agree with Pass

Q4: 5♦. Partner can raise with a good hand and a ♥ control. Anything else only muddies the waters. DBL may be competitive here, but your third ♦ argues against it and DBL will frequently end the auction. Down one after a struggle, when 5 or 6♦ was cold. Partner might have ♠ AQ ♥ Ax ♦ Kxxxxxx ♣ xx

Rainer would win the match with many imps to spare.

1. After (1♦) P (1N) ?? IMO double is takeout and is the least flawed bid
2. After (1♦) P (1N) P (2♦ P (P) ?? IMO Double is more penalty oriented but would still work because partner would bid ♠. Partner is 5404 with 3HCP. 4♠ makes. Unfortunately so does 2♦
3. For this partnership, pass was automatic.
4. After P (P) 1♦ (1♥) X (2♥) 3♦ (3♥) ??, I like Gnasher's 3♠ but 5♦ brings home the bacon quicker. 4♦ was passed out by a partner who could not believe such a bid was possible with a 7-loser passed hand.

[ypiper]

Q2) I play after 2D rebid from W, x from N is penalty; from south for take out.

The danger of bidding sp from South after 2D rebid is that W could still have 4sp and partner may have length

in H and clubs which is quite risky to go minus than a possible plus score.

Sorry I have not worked out how to use the symbles for H/D/S/C.