how2 force after opening 1C

[jerryblu]

The bidding went 1C-1H (opps silent). What's my FORCING rebid? If I had opened a different suit, I could always manufacture a jump shift in a lower non existent suit. My hand was

x, Axx, K, AKJT9873

Partner's response was in the suit I most wanted to hear; I had visions of slam, but no way to explore.

 

My idea would have been to reverse (2D) then bid 3C or 4C, but I was afraid my partner would take a preference to diamonds.

 

Finally, I wound up with the practical game force bid of 5C

 

How do you bid this?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

Withouth special agreements, 4C would be your best bet,

although a rebid of 4 of openers suit is quite often played

as showing support for responders suit (+ a good suit).

 

The alternative is a nonforcing 3C, responder will respond

with 8HCP, so although he could pass the likelihood is low.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Free]

Without a tool, this is called the hand of death for a reason. :)

[the hog]

2NT is forcing for me, however I agree with Uwe.

[helene_t]

You don't have a forcing rebid showing a single-suiter. You can rebid 3NT with shortness in partner's suit, but with this hand you have to make an underbid of 3♣ or invent a new suit, rebidding 2♠ or 2♦.

 

2NT is forcing to some, and even if it isn't forcing it shows a little more than 3♣ does. But you will need some agreements about how to show this hand type after a 2NT rebid, as in "standard" methods 2NT shows a balanced hand.

[Fluffy]

I play 2NT forcing, but even I would bid 2♦ rather.

[helene_t]

Btw with this hand I wouldn't be too worried about 3♣ getting passed out. If p is broke then one of the opps would have been able to bid something.

[gwnn]

change to precision or polish ♣.

 

alternatively, just do something and rest assured that these hands are pretty rare.

[Jboling]

change to precision or polish ♣.

 

alternatively, just do something and rest assured that these hands are pretty rare.

A third alternative is to add some convention that can handle such "hands of death". You can play gazzilli, which in this case means 2♦ is artificial and forcing, or include such a hand into a transfer-Walsh structure, where you gain a rebid compared to natural, due to the transfer. After minor openings, the latter is my preference (by opening 1♣ with all 18-19 balanced hands, you gain a rebid after 1♦ opening as well).

[gwnn]

oh yes forgot about that one. :)

[ONEferBRID]

Recall the system I proposed using Gnasher's "toy" .

 

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=41513&st=30

 

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...=0entry497328

 

1 minor open and a 1H response:

1C - 1H

2S! = GF, and my be artificial, unbalanced ( Gnasher's toy )

 

After 2S! Responder bids 2NT! = asks

Then:

   3C! = long Cl, no 3h, no 4s

   3D! = 4s, no 3h, 5+c

   3H! = 3h, no 4s, 5+c

   3S! = 4s and 3h

 

1C - 1H

2S! - 2NT!

3H! = 3h, no 4s, 5+c... sweet !

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Edit: Jerryblu... What was Responder's hand ?