Bid This

[masse24]

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=skqt2hk54dqj76ca8&w=s76hj72d843ckj732&e=sj98543h6d92c9654&s=sahaqt983dakt5cqt]399|300|Scoring: IMP

South opens 1♥...

 

Using 2/1 GF as your system, bid it:[/hv]

:blink:

 

...a bit of a disagreement about North's first bid. :(

[quiddity]

1♥ 1♠

3♦ 3♥

4♥ 4NT

3kc  Q-ask

Q+DK 7NT?

[aguahombre]

1♥ 1♠

3♦ 3♥

4♥ 4NT

3kc  Q-ask

Q+DK  7NT?

Everything except the question mark. Others might have kickback, but who cares?

Responder knows what he needs to know.

[keylime]

1♥ - 1♠

3♦ - 3♥

3♠* (cuebid) - 4♣* cuebid

RKC, answer, grand slam

[wank]

1H - 1S - 3D - 3H would be simple preference. as such 3S is most definitely not a cue-bid, but patterning out.

 

opener doesn't have much to spare for his GF - singleton A of partner's suit and doubleton Q in the unbid suit are not looking ideal.

 

so obviously he's just going to raise to 4H but then responder can take over with keycard and get to 7nt

[Cascade]

Seems like the theme of the week.

 

Do you or do you not bid 1♠ over 1♥ with GF balanced hands?

 

I can't see any reason not to here as it seems likely from responder's point of view early in the auction that this is most likely a choice between heart or spade (if opener has a fit) game/slam.

 

Of course some who don't bid 1♠ will have a method to immediately find a four-four spade fit.

[mike777]

1h=2d(not 1s please!!)

4d(huge hand)=4h(rkc in d not hearts!!)

4n(1-4)=7nt(or you can mess around and decide to bid 7d or 7nt.)

 

again no surprise bidding 2/1 with bal gf after 1`h made the bidding easy.

[mike777]

Seems like the theme of the week.

 

Do you or do you not bid 1♠ over 1♥ with GF balanced hands?

 

I can't see any reason not to here as it seems likely from responder's point of view early in the auction that this is most likely a choice between heart or spade (if opener has a fit) game/slam.

 

Of course some who don't bid 1♠ will have a method to immediately find a four-four spade fit.

no 2d

[the hog]

1h=2d(not 1s please!!)

4d(huge hand)=4h(rkc in d not hearts!!)

4n(1-4)=7nt(or you can mess around and decide to bid 7d or 7nt.)

 

again no surprise bidding 2/1 with bal gf after 1`h made the bidding easy.

roflmao

Why is 4H not to play?

[mike777]

1h=2d(not 1s please!!)

4d(huge hand)=4h(rkc in d not hearts!!)

4n(1-4)=7nt(or you can mess around and decide to bid 7d or 7nt.)

 

again no surprise bidding 2/1 with bal gf after 1`h made the bidding easy.

roflmao

Why is 4H not to play?

impossible for 4hto be toplay...nonsense

1) 2d=14+

2)4d=huge hand

3) 4h is the only way to bid rkc for d...per agreement it must be rkc..in other words with14+ across from huge hand....4h is never to play. IN other words even if 2d could be less than 14....but gf responder can never play in 4h playing kickback.

[aguahombre]

Please make this simple hand which is an easy 7NT as difficult as possible.

 

Although our style would not choose 1S as a first response, for a different reason, nothing matters when responder shows tolerance for hearts and then RKC for hearts.

[mike777]

fwiw Ithink after:

1h=1s

3d=?your next bid here is not easy.....3h or 4d?

[ONEferBRID]

A few observations.

Take the 2/1 auction first ( my personal favorite):

 

1H - 2D!

3D - 3H ( 3 cards.. double fit )

3S(cue) - 4C(cue)

4D(cue) - 4S! or 4NT! .. RKC for Hts

 

1a) Let's say North finally takes control ( RKC ) after appropriate cue bidding.

North can find the hQ and dK, but he can't count on the Hts running if South

has only 5 cards and no Ht Jack. North doesn't know of South's 6th Ht.

 

1b ) But North can count to 13 tricks in 7D ( normal split ) if he has to ruff a Ht.

 

2) If South takes control with RKC for Hts, he finds the remaining key cards and the Sp King. On the 2nd k-ask, North must bid 7D.

If he just bids 6H ( no cK ) the auction will die there:

 

1H - 2D!

3D - 3H ( 3 cards, double fit )

3S - 4C

4S!( RKC for Hts) - 5D ( 3rd step = 2 - hQ )

5S! ( K-ask) - 5NT ( sK )

6C! ( 2nd K-ask ) - 6H ( no cK or dK )

[masse24]

1♠?

* OR *

2♦?

 

 

.....this was the reason for the Original Post...1♠? or 2♦? and, it seems we have a difference of opinion here as well.

 

Why not 1♠? :huh:

 

Why not 2♦? :huh:

 

Would appreciate some additional insight.

 

Thanks! :)

[Phil]

1♠?

* OR *

2♦?

 

 

.....this was the reason for the Original Post...1♠? or 2♦? and, it seems we have a difference of opinion here as well.

 

Why not 1♠? :huh:

 

Why not 2♦? :huh:

 

Would appreciate some additional insight.

 

Thanks! :)

2♣.......!

 

I use to laugh about bidding like this.

 

Or, 2N natural (and others laugh at me :huh: )

[Cascade]

I just laugh when they call it natural :)

[Cascade]

Without a method to immediately or easily find your spade fit without distorting responder's shape then I think 1♠ is better.

 

I am sure most of those who advocate 2♦ (or 2♣) have further agreements about these auctions.

[P_Marlowe]

1♠?

* OR *

2♦?

 

 

.....this was the reason for the Original Post...1♠? or 2♦? and, it seems we have a difference of opinion here as well.

 

Why not 1♠? :huh:

 

Why not 2♦? :huh:

 

Would appreciate some additional insight.

 

Thanks! :)

If you cant show the heart support at once, either via 2NT (call it what ever

you like, I call it Jacoby 2NT) or via 2C (either clubs or bal. with hearts supp

- if I remember it correctly), than 1S is the bid.

 

You bid 4-4 suits up the line, and since your lowest suit is spade, you dont even

need to ask yourself minor before / after major?

Besides 1S gives you the most room, it allowes p to describe his hand, over 2D,

he may be forced to make a nondescribtive 2H rebid.

 

Bidding 2D, just to generate a GF auction showes fear in not being able to handle

FSF auctions, the fear may be justified, but in this case work on your FSF auctions,

which will help you a lot anyways.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Free]

1♠?

*                    OR                      *

2♦?

 

 

.....this was the reason for the Original Post...1♠? or 2♦? and, it seems we have a difference of opinion here as well.

 

Why not 1♠?  :huh:

 

Why not 2♦?  :huh:

 

Would appreciate some additional insight.

 

Thanks!  :)

Neither, I prefer 2♣. Once you have agreements that this can be short, it's a much better treatment imo.

 

2♣>>>>1♠>some sort of support>>>>>>>>>>>>>2♦.

 

Bidding 2♦ is a joke, many people try to get 2/1 to be a 5 card suit all the time (at the expense of 2♣ possibly short) and all of a sudden we would bid this crappy suit 2/1 and skipping ♠? No thanks!

[ONEferBRID]

I'm not a fan of 2C! = artificial GF..... but I haven't studied it at length.

 

But I'm certainly not a fan of 1♠ with a GF Responder.

What if Opener were not as strong and made a 2♦ rebid ?

 

1H - 1S

2D - ?? Now you need 3C! ( 4th suit ) to GF, and at what level do you think you can show your Ht support and slammish at the same time ? ... not to mention your double-fit.... without fear of passout ?

 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

When Responder employs a natural 2D! GF, it does not deny 3 card Ht support

which can conveniently be made at the 3-level on the next round of bidding....

without fear of a passout. In fact on this hand the DOUBLE-fit can be found out at the 3-level ! ... sweet!

[gwnn]

2♣ for me too, with or without relays

[hanp]

I would also bid 2C. I think that my auction would start 1H - 2C - 2D - 2H - 3H. Now opener has shown 6+ hearts and 4+ diamonds, responder has shown a gameforcing hand with 3+ hearts, and either clubs or a balanced hand. Then responder would bid 3NT (spade cue with serious slam interest). The complete auction might be:

 

1H - 2C

2D - 2H

3H - 3NT

4D - 4H (I know partner is missing a club control and I have one, but I am quite minimal for 3NT)

4S - 4NT

5D - 5S (queen ask, all keycards)

6D (♠A, ♥AQ, ♦AK) - 7NT (can count 14 tricks if hearts run)

[Siegmund]

I am solidly in the 1S camp (if I'm not allowed to have 2NT natural and forcing in my system), but with my usual partners I have ways to make a game-forcing raise after opener's 1N or 2m rebid. People who don't have that in their systems feel the need to start with a 2m response.

[Double !]

I am one of those who initially respond 2D, followed by heart raise, in order to GF and distinguish between 3 and 4-card heart support. I hope my partner doesn't decide to take total control at this point although the worst that could happen would seem to be to wind up in 7 Ds.

 

DHL

[Double !]

Thanks! :rolleyes:

2♣.......!

 

I use to laugh about bidding like this.

 

Or, 2N natural (and others laugh at me :rolleyes: )

No objection to, or laughter about a 2C responses from me at all. It is often easier to develop the bidding after certain responses than after certain other responses. In addition, it is seeming more and more to me that opener often has an easier time rebidding after opening a black suit than after opening a red suit.

 

DHL