fun hand @ the club

[jillybean]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=sat2h54dckqj87532]133|100|Scoring: MP

1♣ (X) 5♣ (5♥)

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Maybe you don't agree with 5♣, but that is what I bid.

What now?

[the hog]

You pre empted yourself with the 5C bid, Kathryn. Whatever you do now is a guess. I guess I bid 6C, primarilly to try and avoid a double game swing. Who knows, maybe it will make.

[jillybean]

Hi Ron, would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

[the hog]

Hi Ron, would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.

[kayin801]

6♣, though I fear 5♥ and 6♣ are both -1. It seems reasonable to gamble that partner has a stiff heart on the auction, though it won't happen all the time. The 5♥ bidder could have 5 hearts, but since partner and the doubler should have reasonable values and we hold 1/4 the deck ourselves I would expect the 5♥ call to be more on distribution than high card strength.

 

Agree with the_hog that I would have made a forcing club raise (or XX and bid clubs) at my first turn, however you would bid that in your system.

[Fluffy]

We have extra strenght for the 5♣ bid, normally this means we double now, but with 8 cards in clubs this seems so wrong.

 

I doubt west has 6 hearts, he is so likelly holding a 5-5 red hand, wich gives partner 2 hearts most of the time, even 3 is possible. MY best guess is that 5♥ will go 1 down in 2 spades and a diamond, or maybe 2 /3down if ♣A cashes and we can ruff diamonds. I double.

[Free]

Dbl

[jillybean]

Hi Ron,  would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

[gwnn]

who knows what's right with 8 card support :) I don't! bid 6C and fasten your seatbelts.

[billw55]

Crazy hands deserve crazy bids :)

 

I think at the table, I would have bid 6♣ on my first turn. It might make, or induce a bad 6D/H/S by ops, or be a good sac. Also if we play it, they are left groping for the right lead (not having communicated their heart fit).

[hanp]

Al Roth would bid 2C.

[keylime]

I'm bidding to six here, and would have considered it initially.

[Mbodell]

At MP I'd double. At IMP I'd bid 6♣.

[aguahombre]

Hi Ron,  would you XX and bid 5♣ next turn?

No, definitely not. I would make the lowest forcing C bid that I could make. For us this would be 2NT, same as if 1M were doubled.

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

consider changing, so that 2Nt (or something) is a l.r. + in clubs, or whatever. But this hand doesn't fit a nitch. I like the 6C bid some people suggested on the previous round. But probably would have bid only five and been in the same predicament. :angry:

[jillybean]

I bid 6♣ and found partner with; KQ43,A8,7632,AT6 , most other tables played in 5♣

Top board, thanks to the 5♥ bid on 97,QT92,KQT854,9

 

Time to discuss a forcing minor raise with my p.

[gwnn]

2NT should definitely be a raise of opener's suit. But I wouldn't use it on this hand since it is imossible to "show your hand" with 8 card support. Did your RHO really bid his 4 card suit from 6-4 on the 5 level???

[jillybean]

2NT should definitely be a raise of opener's suit. But I wouldn't use it on this hand since it is imossible to "show your hand" with 8 card support. Did your RHO really bid his 4 card suit from 6-4 on the 5 level???

Yes, really. Thank you opps.

[gwnn]

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???

[bucky]

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

What do you use 2NT for then? Natural?

[bucky]

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???

It seems to be a recent trend to bid (a much weaker) 4-card suit with 4-6 combination.

[aguahombre]

I mean he can either pass or bid 5♦, it depends on his table feel. I don't like pass from him but bidding the 4 card suit???

It seems to be a recent trend to bid (a much weaker) 4-card suit with 4-6 combination.

that had to be said.

[gwnn]

yes :(

[jillybean]

We don't have a forcing ♣ bid after the X, other than XX which implies no fit.

What do you use 2NT for then? Natural?

2N is natural yes, these are our agreements;

 

1m (X) 2m 6-10 nf

1♣: (X) 2♦ Criss cross Limit Raise in clubs

1♦: (X) 3♣: Criss cross Limit Raise in diamonds

1m (X) 2N 10 - 11 balanced, with major suit stoppers

1m (X) xx 10+ no fit, balanced

1m (X) 1M 1M here ignores the double, could be 4, could be less than 10 - similar to 1m (p) 1M

 

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦

[aguahombre]

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦

Yes, but I don't think it would have accomplished anything on this hand, except eventually still having to make a decision over their 5D.

[bucky]

So I could have used 1♣ (X) 2♦

Yes, but I don't think it would have accomplished anything on this hand, except eventually still having to make a decision over their 5D.

Agree. With the actual distribution, it is not a time for science. I think the 5♣ bid is fine, an initial 6♣ has lots of merits too.