mike777 Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 [hv=d=n&n=sahk873dakqt64ca3&s=sqj3haj62dj2ckjt2]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] This is bd 32 in the finals. How do you and your fav partner bid it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♦ 1♥3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 45♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♦-1♥2N-3♣ (unbalanced GF, semi forced)4♥-4♠ (1453/1462, keycard)5♣-5♦(1/4, Q?)5♥-6♥ (no) Wrong slam, but would be better than 6N if Q♦ was missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♣-1NT2♣-2♦ (12-14)bla-blabla-I have 4 heartsbla-bla♥Q?-No6NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♣-1NT2♣-2♦ (12-14)bla-blabla-I have 4 heartsbla-bla♥Q?-No6NT Seems a little bit of a gamble when you could easily have a loser and then they cash a spade. (or even more than one spade) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 seems simple: 1♦ 1♥4NT etc...6♥ amazing that both tables reached doomed grands. Those guys must be tired :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 no only one table reached grand 7d other table in 6h...no one found 6nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 seems simple: 1♦ 1♥4NT etc...6♥ amazing that both tables reached doomed grands. Those guys must be tired :P 7♦ can be made as can 7N, but you need some X-ray goggles I think (or the complete bluff line N actually played). Not sure exactly what the auction meant, but I assume some of the heart bids weren't natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I'm pretty sure we would end in 6♥ after a strong club relay sequence. In order to clarify ♥Q we will probably have to get beyond the point were we could settle in 6♦. 6NT is very tough to bid with safety, since it's terrible without ♠J. How bad is grand slam in diamonds or notrumps anyway? It does have some decent play, since one can combine his chances in ♣+♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 No ♥ bids were naturall.1♣ (strong) - 2♥ (any, bal, 8-11) - 3♦ (diamonds) - 3NT - 4♥ (RKCB ♦) - 4NT (1 or 4?) -5♥ (specific K) - 6♣ -7♦. North came down to cashing a ♦ winner with - 87 - A3 opposite - - - KJ10x apparently playing for club finesse and a squeeze but East threw ♥Q to keep ♣Qxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valardent Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♦1NT*(GF balanced)2♥2NTr3♥*3♠r *(5422 or 64xx 17+)4♦14624♠RKC♦5♣not minimum and 0 or 4 KC in ♦ 6♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♦ 1♥3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 45♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No6♥ On this auction or one like it, why wouldn't north bid 6♦ at the end? It must be an offer to play instead of a grand slam try since you are known to be off the heart queen. South would be happy to pass and you are in an essentially cold slam. In fact maybe north should bid 5♠ or something. If south's clubs were KQJx there would be 13 top tricks on any breaks and 6♥ could go down so it has to be wrong to just bid 6♥. (Yes maybe south could bid keycard directly with that hand but he may have had other intentions in cuebidding. It can be both difficult and dangerous to determine when partner would have bid keycard or cuebid.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 1♦ 1♥3♠ 4♣ Splinter/Cue4♠ 5♣ RKCB/1 or 45♦ 5♥ ♥Q?/No6♥ On this auction or one like it, why wouldn't north bid 6♦ at the end? It must be an offer to play instead of a grand slam try since you are known to be off the heart queen. South would be happy to pass and you are in an essentially cold slam. In fact maybe north should bid 5♠ or something. If south's clubs were KQJx there would be 13 top tricks on any breaks and 6♥ could go down so it has to be wrong to just bid 6♥. (Yes maybe south could bid keycard directly with that hand but he may have had other intentions in cuebidding. It can be both difficult and dangerous to determine when partner would have bid keycard or cuebid.) Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 2♣ 2♦3♦ 3♥4NT 5♣5♦ 5♥6♦ 6NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 <!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> A </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> K873 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AKQT64 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A3 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> QJ3 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AJ62 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> J2 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KJT2 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end --> This is bd 32 in the finals. How do you and your fav partner bid it? even an old fashion: 1d=1h4d=so.......gets me to 6h I note no one at the tble or in the forum bid this way :P ------------ perhaps finding 6nt is too hard even in modern bridge....at the table...under pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 1♣-1NT2♣-2♦ (12-14)bla-blabla-I have 4 heartsbla-bla♥Q?-No6NT Seems a little bit of a gamble when you could easily have a loser and then they cash a spade. (or even more than one spade) I have problems finding hands with 12 HCP where 6NT won't have 12 top tricks, at least if diamodns break. Maybe diamnds not breaking is the reason to play in hearts. But then you risk hearts not breaking, 6NT can maybe cope with any one of them not breaking so IMO its the % contract. To make non 12 direct tricks (if diamonds break) with 12 HCP south must have ♠Q♥AJ♦J♣KJ a hand easilly downgradable to 11. But if he has 13 or 14 I think 6NT will always be better than 6 red. I forgot to mention that on the blablabla south shows 2 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 No ♥ bids were naturall.1♣ (strong) - 2♥ (any, bal, 8-11) - 3♦ (diamonds) - 3NT - 4♥ (RKCB ♦) - 4NT (1 or 4?) -5♥ (specific K) - 6♣ -7♦. North came down to cashing a ♦ winner with - 87 - A3 opposite - - - KJ10x apparently playing for club finesse and a squeeze but East threw ♥Q to keep ♣Qxxx Is this what happened at the table? I wonder why anyone would show 8-11 with 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I have problems finding hands with 12 HCP Sorry missed that. Quantitative bids so often make slam bidding easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 1C = 15-17bal/nat or 18+ any... 2D = 9+, balanced or 3-suited, 4-5 hearts, 0-3 spades2H = 18+ relay... 2N = 4 clubs3C = relay... 3N = 3=4=2=4, extras (12+), 3 controls4C = relay... 4S = heart and club controls, no spade control4N = relay... 5C = no diamond control5D = relay... 5H = no secondary heart control5S = relay... 5N = no secondary club control6D Partner's hand is known to within a jack. There are no more than 8 hcp missing and partner has denied the SK, HQ and CQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Is this what happened at the table? I wonder why anyone would show 8-11 with 13Sorry, 2H was 12-13 balanced Otherwise, yes this is what happened at the table.http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=15601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Kovacs Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 I'd have to ask my partner, but I suppose it might go something like: 1C(16+)-1NT(8-13)2D(5+♦)-2H(4♥)3D(6+♦)-3NT4NT(Quant)-6NT He might also go via a 2♣, an asking bid for shape/strength, where we probably end in 6♦ or 6♥, so I'm not entirely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Tsetse reaches the wrong contract with a minimum of effort :)♠ A ♥ Kxxx ♦ AKQTxx ♣ Ax: 1♣ 2♥ 6♥♠ QJx ♥ AJxx ♦ Jx ♣ KJTx: 1♠ 3♣ 1 ♣ = 16+1 ♠ = 8+ 4+ ♥2 ♥ = KCB3 ♣ = 2 Does anybody know how to quote another poster's bridge diagram and edit it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 [hv=d=n&n=sahk873dakqt64ca3&s=sqj3haj62dj2ckjt2]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] This is bd 32 in the finals. How do you and your fav partner bid it?OK, Mike....Here is how I would do it using the CWNN ( Convention with No Name ) : 1D - 1H4D! ( 6 Ace RKC, ♦ & ♥ ) - 4S! ( 2nd step = 1 key )4NT! ( Q's - ask ) - 5C ( neither Q )6H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Just open 6♥, you have a 6-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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