Little Kid Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 What do you think is expert standard for Double in the following auction? If it is different, what do you play it as? 2♣-(Pass)-2♦-(2♠) X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neobas Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Surely Double here is penalty, presuming 2♣ is strong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbouskila Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 http://www.bridgeworld.com/default.asp?d=b...=bwsall.html#VB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Won't presume to know what "standard" is. Pass=takeout, double=desire to defend 2S is our choice. 2NT? Heck, maybe a 2NT rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 As default, double is to defend in gameforcing auctions. Pass acts as neutral or takeout. Most serious partnerships have discussed this situation and many seems to make other agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Generic forcing pass agreement - the X is for penalty.We have changed this to T/O. Which followes our general guidline, "all" low level doubles are for T/O. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Pass is forcing ( hence T/O ).X = penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Depends on the meaning of 2♦, but I'd take it as penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Depends on the meaning of 2♦, but I'd take it as penalty.I think it doesn't matter on the meaning of 2♦ -- whether it is simply waiting and possibly a 2nd negative follow-up or whether you play 2♥! as an immediate negative with 2♦ as waiting but positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted October 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Okay, so I guess pretty much nobody here plays it as 22-24 balanced then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Okay, so I guess pretty much nobody here plays it as 22-24 balanced then.The following different sequence ( an immediate Overcall ) shows Opener with a 22-24 balanced ( I believe in Bridge World Standard ): 2C - ( 2D/2H/2S ) - pass! - ( p )X = 22-24 balanced where Responder's pass! was forcing ( whereas if Responder had Doubled, it would have been his weakest action -- immediate "2nd negative" . ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Edit... I just clicked on the website in rbouskila's post for the Bridge World: http://www.bridgeworld.com/default.asp?d=b...=bwsall.html#VB and it shows that Free is right !!! Opener's X would depend on the meaning of 2♦ in your original sequence ( Overcall AFTER Responder's bid ): 2♣-(Pass)-2♦!-(2♠) X = ?? If 2D were waiting but positive, then Opener's X = ?? undefined by Bridge World... Bridge World only shows this sequence after Responder's immediate negative ( 2H! ) : 2♣-(Pass)-2♥!-(2♠) X = PENALTY, whereas pass would be forcing. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Conclusion: I have no (reference) answer for your sequence. Something to be discussed with partner. Edit 2: In my previous post I just "assumed" Opener's X was penalty for the 2D! ( waiting, but positive ) case also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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